How many Muslims here think it’s OK to drink (in small amounts/socially) while still being a good Muslim? Select below

I don’t think it is ok at all to drink in small amounts/big amounts. it’s the same sin. However, we all have different struggles and they manifest differently for us all. Only God can give you that answer, He knows what’s in the individuals heart and their struggles. I personally do know a lot of amazing souls, who have different struggles. I still think their good people, but God is the ultimate judge. May he guide us all to the siritaal mustaqeen 🙏

A.C. 1 - I'm very curious, you say you plan on stopping when you get married. Is that really a legitimate reason to stop?

You should stop for yourself, not for the sake of your future spouse.

And, honestly, if you're looking for a religious and pure person to marry, why would they choose you? Nothing in your work life would change, why should a potential spouse believe you that getting married would make you stop?

The types of people you would attract would also be those who drink, and so if your plan is to marry a good Muslim person, you would need to stop drinking beforehand and be the type of person that deserves a good Muslim person first

No

You can still be Muslim and do lots of good things and follow the religion in all other aspects but drinking will never be “OK”

Yes

No because the messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم said that what intoxicates is large quantities is also haram in small quantities.

So the ruling is clear. There is no debate on that issue.

If you want to choose to drink socially ... the choice is yours. The consequences are yours.

Is it worth it? Definitely not. The one who created you also controls the hearts of those who you perhaps try to impress

Important isn’t what individuals think. Important is to know what Islam says and what Allah swt wants from us. The it’s between the individual to make the choice and face the consequences.

Is it important to please your Lord or make some choices of momentary pleasure?

Y’all need to stop. Drinking is haram. I drink, I know it’s wrong, I still do it. It’s between me and my creator. But we have to stop justifying our actions. Grow a pair and own up to the haram and move on with yourself.

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Nothing that A3 said was an oxymoron....Islam accepts people and Allah recognizes that we will sin. But that does not change the fact that certain actions are sinful. Even if all of humanity agreed that drinking was halal, that does not change the objective fact that Allah has prohibited it

We’re all “pick and choose” Muslims (you handpick the sin/struggle that works for you) and justify to yourself through a convenient rationale (lack of better alternative / greater good / etc)

We also pick and choose which doctrines we want to adhere strictly vs “interpret” moderately (especially if conveniently aligns to western government interests). So then why shouldn’t I be able to interpret the “drinking is a sin” rule as acceptable if consumed in small quantities in a non-addictive way (as this is the case in reality)? Isn’t this double standards

Let me entertain you OP.

What you keep mentioning is the general perception of Muslims towards a subject. Should this be given any weight in Islamic law. The closest thing this would be appropriated to in Islamic law is Ijmaa (consensus). However the problem is that consensus is not taken from laymen and every day people. It is taken from scholars of Islamic law, after all that is their field of mastery. Which I highly doubt all of them will agree on.

Secondly, the notion that it's all or nothing is something rejected at the time of the prophet and now. There was one companion who used to regularly get drunk, and they would punish him by flogging in the street publicly. On top of that one day another companion said something crude about him because of his habitual drinking habit. The Prophet said, don't help shaytan against your brother, for verily he loves Allah and his messenger. Granted the prophet is inspired and can testify to it. But the point is that he still was punished and humiliated for it and therefore he was expunged from that sin. However today everyone takes pride in it and refuses to feel any guilt.

Point is Islam has always made room for everyone so long as they didn't try to change the religion and agreed the fault was in them.

I don't think it is.
Islam = 💯
You = problems

You can't subtract your problems and try to add them to something that's a hunnit.

The problem with shaytaan was the arrogance of his sin. When you say you drink and are casual about it... You're walking a dangerous path.

Agreed, D1.

Like I said everyone has their own struggles. But sometimes I think a lot of us tend to pick and choose an Islam that is easy for us (I myself am guilty of this). We choose things that we can do, and still give in to our desires. So where is the discipline? We aren’t perfect, nor was it intended for us to be but we should be weary of picking and choosing what is convenient for us and making our own Islam.

As far as alcohol - if this is something that you do purely out of desire and convenience. Is it worth it for what if weighs on the scales?

SC1 - nutmeg in large amounts is a narcotic. Per your stance, are you going to give up using nutmeg in your food and cakes?

Don’t you think the true value religion tries to inculcate is being responsible and a good human, vs. strict adherence to scriptures? (As you now can no longer have nutmeg)

OP
I mean this in a tough love kind of way
As mentioned, from an Islamic law standpoint drinking will never be ok, large or small amounts, it doesn’t make you a non-Muslim, there just isn’t any wiggle room
The social aspect just seems like you might feel a little insecure/embarrassed about not “fitting in” with other coworkers/others and how they might judge you
For the most part yes people are understanding, but to say it doesn’t get awkward would also be incorrect, it just is what it is, if you care about trying your best, which is obvious you do, it just isn’t worth it just to be able to say “hey bob wanna grab a beer later..."

I do hear this good human argument often in North America. How would you define good? For me good is what Allah says is good and bad is what Allah says is bad ... not what I or anyone feels like because that is very subjective.

I don’t know about nutmeg ... if what you say is true, one shouldn’t ... however I haven’t hear anyone say that he’s had a lot of nutmegs and got a high! Will have to investigate.

And as Accenture 1 said, what you do is between you and Allah ... we must not change the religion for it.

Having said that, I see you do have that spark in you to be a good Muslim (even if it isn’t very apparent to you) - perhaps that is really why you’re discussing this.

Been there ... I really hope you get onto the right side of your struggle. Inshallah.

Nope