I always wonder if there are men on this channel... because if there were a men channel I’d be in there creeping.

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Ah Sapient... This is where the whole conversation about you should care about Women's issues because they are people, not just because they are related to you.

As in, if you didn't have daughters, you should still care about this shit and try to fix it because it's just wrong that women face this in their careers.

I get that having daughters makes this more personal and real, but just trying to challenge your thinking a bit here.

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Yup. What @AD1 said. Not just to be better though, but to help fix this shit before my daughters are old enough for it to affect them.

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Yes, there are. They comment sometimes. I follow the minorities bowl because I'm interested and care about the topic, though I don't comment.

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This will be the one and only time I post in this bowl. Yes, I’m a man, and I read posts in here since I manage a lot of female employees and want to learn to better understand their issues and how to help. I’ll also say that if knowing that I’m here makes anyone uncomfortable, I’m happy to leave, so just say so.

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Nah, EVP1, stay. Ain't no party like an EVP party.

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@eleven if women face more challenges getting promoted into leadership roles, imagine the challenges women who start their own agencies face

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ArtD1 - that is the best reason to be creepin. Creep away please!

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Agree @strategydirector1 but one step at a time.

If it's having a daughter that helps open your mind to women's issues then so be it.

@Sapientrazorfish1 welcome. Thanks for listening. There's a lot to learn! Some deeper reading will help too, both industry rags and beyond. Once your eyes are really open to gender inequality you can see it everywhere.
I hope your daughters are able grow up in a world where they can't.

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@strategy director 1, it kinda feels like your gate keeping women's rights with @sapient razorfish 1. You can't control what motivates people to care, and telling someone their children are not the "right" reason is just silly. We're in advertising. We all know the effort it takes to make people care.

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Loving and applauding all of the men here that are allies in understanding our issues as women so they can be a part of the solution and not the problem. Thank you! You are most welcome!

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@Eleven: Capital is likely an issue. Since a women’s dollar is like $0.77 to a man’s whole $1.00 (the numbers are worse for women of color), it’s hard to get the capital to start.

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They need a spouse to pay for the nanny while they kick the shit out of the job. And a spouse who can pay for the nanny often has a challenging career themselves. The emotional work of marriage and family falls to women and to start an agency a woman would need this very special combo of capital, drive, perfect timing in terms of career arc, family support (or no family), and balls. Men just need a buddy to say "hey, let's do this and see what happens."

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Why don’t more women start agencies? Seems like most are founded by men. If more women started their own agencies it would help, I think.

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@Eleven too many women leave our industry before they would have the chance to do that. So maybe if the industry just stated being easier on women, we’d get moving in the right direction.

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@eleven - there’s this cool agency in NYC called “Joan” that is founded by two female ECDs from WK. everyone I’ve talked to has praised how brilliant they are. I know two folks who are going there (and I hope to be next, 👋🏻 Joan recruiter(s) if you’re out there)

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Ya Sapient razorfish 1...you caring about women’s issues just coz you have daughters is just plain good old nepotism. Guessing you’re probably white, so guess you don’t care about any minority issues since unless it’s something to do with you, clearly you DGAF.

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