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I have resigned last week from TCS.Today manager pinged on teams & asked all details like Skillset, Exp, exp in current account, project and reasons for resignation & hike %,if applicable. I replied reasons as location change, learning growth and hike. Then he asked. if I will stay in tcs if given preferred location and account change. I said yes ,if its along with good hike. Now he is asking which company I got the offer from& current salary and offered salary.Can i tell these things to him, pls help.
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I blame the older CD's and ECD's that are too comfortable in their current position and would rather just give the account folk what they want instead of protecting their creatives. You'll notice there's really nobody sticking up for creatives these days.
Mentor
The best advice I can give any creative At any level, is to talk directly to your clients if you have questions about the brief, the business objectives, the timing. Clients do not need account people and many clients are annoyed by agency account people. The clients need the creative. That’s really it. Know your power. Talk to your clients directly. You can tell them that they will get better work if there was more time and things were less rushed. That’s all they want is better work. You also might learn that they’re giving you plenty of time but your account team or strategy team are sitting on it which happens way too often. Clients have been sold a bill of goods that they can’t speak to creative directly because creative can’t talk business, and they need the account people there as a buffer or translators. Blow this myth up completely. Be informed about the category and talk to your clients like equals. Don’t be intimidated. Don’t be afraid. Account people make their money by making creative think they shouldn’t talk to clients or they could get fired. Every successful creative I know has gotten there by forming strong relationships directly with the client at their level. This industry is about to undergo massive change, And I think losing about 80% of the account stuff is going to be part of it. If you’re not getting enough time, if you’re not getting what you need, talk to your clients directly.
It’s a hard job- and great account people are rare, so my advice (take this carefully bc you don’t wanna look bad in the process) is if you have an account person not respecting your time or opinions- LET THEM FAIL. Make it super clear in writing that you cannot do something and if they continue to push - drop.the.ball. If they give you hours that are crazy, call that out before kickoff. If they don’t have any willingness to change those hours - bill accurately! The only one stuck figuring out where to shift the money and how to explain to the client will be them, and then they’ll never do it again. And lastly, don’t kick off anything ever without hours, job #, specs, and all other necessary things. Make them adjust their timelines if they can’t get those things to you. My overall point is, despite the hurdle with an ECD, you have some more power over this than you think.
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Mentor
I hate to brake it to you but 99% of the time it isn’t the account team, it’s the client. The clients are the ones with unrealistic expectations and they know that if your agency doesn’t deliver, there’s another one out there that will undercut your shop in cost and timeline. Your account team is usually put into a corner where they can’t say no to the client and they get crap from creatives. ...and if you think your CD’s and ECD’s “allow it” .... you have a rude awakening if you ever plan on being in a creative leadership role because we can’t tell the client to f**k off. Doesn’t work that way and pushing back, even at our level as often as some of us do, doesn’t guarantee shit. So in short, hate the client, support your team, because we’re all in this Titanic of a cruise line together.
This is a growing trend across many many agencies. As many have said, if your agency won’t do it cheap and fast another agency will gladly do it. We’re all willing to undercut each other to get our foot in the door of a client but ultimately it backfires down the road bc it’s not sustainable. Until the industry as a whole can come together and take a stand against abusive, lowballing, corps/clients then we will continue at this rate. And bc of this trend we’re likely to turn into an industry of creative freelancers with very few actual full time hires. Clients are moving away from the AOR model and more towards every assignment being a jump ball between a handful of agencies. An agency can’t have a full house of staff for a bunch of ‘maybe’ work. In turn bc of this new model the perma staff that these agencies have are worked to the bone. And unless you’re one of the few independent shops that’s not owned by a holding company - pushing back and saying no are off the table. Long story short - the system is broken. At some point things will implode and come crashing down.
Coach
*flips table, which is actually not a table but a small dainty lap tray usually reserved for breakfast in bed but has now been commandeered as office furniture while lying in bed with the worst posture technique the world has ever seen*
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I just don't think they realise that the creative process isn't a quick one.
When I explained to one suit that we often have to write 100+ headlines to get to one good one, they were genuinely surprised.
They think we just go with the first thing that comes to mind, or that the exact stock photo the client is after is just a click away, when often it doesn't even exist.
Mentor
The greatest piece of advice I can give anybody, is talk to your clients directly every single time you have a question.
Clients do not need account people. Account people position themselves as buffers between clients and these crazy wacky creatives. They encourage creatives to not talk to clients or they could get fired. All of this is nonsense. Form a direct relationship with the client at your level. Email them directly if you need more time, if you’re not sure why they don’t like an idea, stop using your account people like Google translate. Because like Google translate, they get things wrong all the time on both ends. As this industry contracts, we are going to see less account people. But in the meantime, every single creative I know who has succeeded has had one thing in common: strong direct relationships with clients. When you reach out to a client you can learn a lot that clears up issues. You may find out that your account team is sitting on a brief and it’s not the clients fault at all. You may find out the client didn’t understand something in your presentation. You will always succeed by talking to somebody directly rather than playing a game of telephone. Agencies are structured around this game of telephone and it’s time for it to stop.
CD here. I'm not always able to help push out the timelines, but I can insist that our account colleagues be online and work the same late nights and same weekends as we creatives do. If you're struggling with this issue, work with your account team (or your manager, who can apply pressure to his/her counterpart in account) to insist on equal partnership. It may not be much, but this happens much more often when account kicks back and let's creatives work the weekend and they just review on Monday. I also see a lot of "text me when it comes my way." No -- you'll be online and check your email and respond to our questions like the rest of us. The more it becomes a shared burden, the less often this happens.
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ACD2: doctors can go 3 straight days and nights without an hour off. Attorneys often do 36 hours straight. Consultants have to go live where the client is even if that’s a rural dirt town for as long as six months to a year. We don’t have it anywhere near as hard as other industries. The problem we have is we don’t get the same salaries because the agencies kick their profits up to the holding companies instead of distributing it amongst the workers. Advertising has always been an hours intensive job. It’s just that it used to pay comparable to what our clients on the brand teams make. And now we are in about a third of that. Go work at an independent agency. The holding companies are the cause of all of these problems
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They are in client MANAGEMENT. Managing client expectations and timelines. If they blame their clients they are saying they can’t do their job.
I've been doing this for 17+ years I still don't know what value account ppl bring. The best account I worked on in my career there was 1 account person on a team of 120 ppl they were basically growth/ new biz. In my view their jobs were important before digital communications tech (email) when you had to actually be on the phone the whole day to get anything done. They tend to get in the way of clear communication, they hoard information and misinterpret objectives. Just slide that responsibility into project management/ production. They're too disconnected from making things.
CD Art here. I’ve been doing this for 25 years. My experience is that there are too many Account Managers and too few Project Managers. There’s a big difference between the two. PMs are the ones who respond to the day to day emails, schedule conference calls, manage timelines, line up resources, and gather up the creative assets that we all need to succeed in our jobs. Because they are in the weeds alongside us, PMs actually understand what is and is not possible within a given timeframe. Typically, Account Managers don’t have that ability. Also typically, Account Managers deny Creatives direct access to clients, ultimately shielding them from info and insights we need to deliver great work.
At my last full-time job I was one of the design leads on a global pharma account. The client got so frustrated that they explicitly asked for the account team to be removed from the business. For two years, our Design Team successfully ran the business without any support or input from the Account Team.
Enthusiast
Blame your ECD for allowing it
Coach
Do we work together? Cause my team is like that too 😪
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OMG! Either we work together or that’s a trend among agencies 😂
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What is this bowl called, can’t find it. I tried ACDs, and Associate Creative Directors. Nothing. 🤷🏻♂️
Show them this YouTube video https://youtu.be/WDngw5R32WE
just say no
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Personally, when possible, I prefer to develop a relationship with the client directly. When they earn your trust, and know that you have their best interests in mind, you can generally negotiate for the time you need. And you’ll be more empathetic when an actual urgent need arises. I don’t fault account folks for not getting it. They just don’t know what it takes to go through a creative process to make something great. I try to teach that it’s not the time it takes us to type. It’s all the time creatives need to research, think, write, rewrite, sell-in to CDs, comp, rewrite, rethink, re-comp and repeat before they ever see anything. Next time, OP, maybe hand your account person a blank page and ask them to help by making a rough draft. Hopefully they’ll realize the time it takes to get to that first step. And if they put out crap, they’ll also learn that anyone can make crap.
As a junior how should I develop a relationship with the client? My agency is so weird, I feel like I don’t even know the clients names (we have a bunch across different lines) and it’s like the account people treat them like these anonymous gods... so when we get on the phone it’s hard to be myself let alone introduce myself
One of the best parts about working client-side is not having account folks that advocate for the client more than you. Obviously there are people doing similar jobs and enforcing deadlines but, yeah. I fully understand we couldn’t do what we do without account folks but I agree with you.
They're not doing their job properly. Find a way to get more face time with client
This madness usually occurs when there’s no project manager and no approved schedule at the offset. The CD should always try to set realistic expectations about timelines and the project manager should enforce it. The problem is too many account people think they are project managers. Wrong.
I get it, I know clients are the ones who seem to get the wrap for setting these urgent deadlines, and maybe they are. The thing is, your account team needs to remember who they work for. Your agency, creative team and you. If you don’t have the necessary time to do the work, it won’t be done to its highest quality. Communication between you and the account director and team members is paramount. They need to be appraised of your work schedule so they can properly align timelines. If there isn’t a representative from the acct. team in your production meeting there should be. Invite someone or schedule daily check-ins with a go to person to discuss creative traffic schedules. Hang in there.
CD7 you must be very popular with the account team - your agency must not do really creative work otherwise clients would absolutely care about creatives