I am super pissed about a meeting my group just had this morning.
Our team had a call with university recruiting and the partner was talking through things we want to see for our group. He literally wanted go up the GPA requirement(which I think is childish) and he said he actually want to “avoid” community college grads. I literally went to a community college and I don’t think he even knows that I went. Would you challenge him on this privately?

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That's ridiculous. Community college grads can be some of the smartest, hardest-working people around. Somebody needs to get control of the partner's ego/unreasonable thinking.

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Whats wrong with community college??? I got a great deal on 2 associates degrees and they came in handy for my first gig.

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I’d have made a joke that based on that idea, should I start looking for a new job? The partner obviously buys into the whole pedigree thing. Data clearly shows that where your degree is from has no indication of your ability to succeed.

My degrees are from state colleges, online. It cracks me up when the fraternity set starts comparing their alma maters, and their “college experience “. I say my experience was doing homework in hotel rooms while business traveling. My parents thought college was a joke. So it took me over a decade of working crap jobs to realize they were wrong. Now I run circles around the pedigreed.

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You can just make the comment that it's hard enough recruiting in today's environment so why make it harder.

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No. You feel like it's an attack on you, it's not.

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Then you require a four year degree instead of an associates. You don't say raise the GPA requirement because community college kids are dumb and this way we won't hire them.

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You are a Senior Associate. The person you are talking about is a Partner. Piss him off and you could burn your bridges at your firm. His preference for hiring non community college grads is not the hill you want to die on.

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I disagree. It's ok to respectfully bring up another pov. Just do it in private

Privately? Should've done it in the meeting where it's out in the open. We're too desperate for help to be that damn picky.

Also, GPAs don't mean shit with regard to the ability to apply knowledge to the working sector.

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This is funny, my partner just told me he prefers recruiting from state and community colleges because the students have better work ethic than presumably rich kids that went to the big universities. As someone who worked and put myself through community and private university, it’s a mixed bag from what I can tell. No way to accurately make such a broad assumption.

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Don’t take things personally. I would challenge him but not for personal reasons that you stated but based on what others had mentioned

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Come to him with data and statistics about why that’s a bad decision and he’s more likely to listen than if you just tell him how you feel about it

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Is it really worth it to challenge him? Not sure what the upside is for you

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Yup. Risk/reward. My higher ups say things I don’t agree with all the time. I sure as hell am not going to confront them about it and give them an excuse to treat me differently. You have to understand your job as a corporate underling, do it, and get out.

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Ask him to help you understand why limiting our applicant pool would be beneficial and see if he has had good/bad experiences with hires with low GPAs or from community colleges. You both want qualified/good employees/coworkers so help each other understand your different approaches.

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Also, how does cutting out community colleges support DEI?

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Tell me this is some mid-tier firm partner too lmao

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I went to CC and transferred. All worked out. It depends on the people. I’ve met good and bad performers from target schools and CC transfers. This is ridiculous.. I’m biased but I’d rather take someone who went to CC, transferred and got their bachelors but worked almost 40 hours throughout their school career than someone who went to a target school and did “after school activities” to put on their resumes. Maybe I’m jealous they were able to do that haha. Anyway.. good luck changing their mind.

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As a partner, go talk to them. Ask them to clarify, especially since you went to CC. Either they are an ass it didn’t realize how it came out. Big 4 is struggling to get interns just like everyone else, so we are trying to be more creative and not less.

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Is any firm in a position to limit their candidate pool at this point? This seems like the opposite direction you want to go in. If you’re worried about quality train and trust your interviewers better and/or change the type of questions you ask instead of just the soft skill question big4 audit and tax are known for.

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As a fellow CC grad I would say, first off, don't react in anger and don't "challenge" this person (I'm not even quite sure what you intend to do by challenge, but it doesn't sound like the appropriate response in this setting). There's going to be people you meet in life that say stupid things, and if you react angrily every single time you'll have a hard time changing minds, and people could view you as a hot head that might be difficult to work with.

If you really want to discuss the topic with this partner, you should schedule a meeting/lunch with them. Then ask them what their thinking is behind this idea of not looking at CC grads. Once they explain, then you can calmly explain to them your background and why you think their plan might actually hold recruiting efforts back. And then go from there.

Ultimately they may not change their minds. You'll either have to come to terms with that or look for different opportunities.

Personally, their recruiting plan seems like a red flag to me. Firms spend so much effort on DEI now, yet some firms miss a big opportunity in looking at diversity of background by not considering people outside of a select few target schools.

Plus with the hiring environment nowadays, firms can't really afford to limit where they look. Their staffing levels will suffer for it. I can speak to that from personal experience. If I were you and they plan to go through with this recruiting plan, I would probably start looking around for other jobs now.

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All firms have target schools and generally community colleges are not in their target. Its also usually up to HR and not the partners. I don’t see you getting anywhere with this.

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I see. Yes I would say something then. That’s not cool at all.

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I’m still confused on whether you’re talking about someone going to community college before getting their Bachelors, or do mean not hiring someone with only an Associates degree from a community college? If if it’s the latter, I don’t think it’s a big deal, that is pretty standard. If the former, seems like an odd complaint by the Partner because I know tons of people in Big Four that went to community college then a University. Especially in CA, college is damn expensive.

Aside from that, you literally say literally way too much. Just FYI 👍

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I’d challenge him on it. There are all sorts of reasons people start at CCs and it’s completely unfair to count them out for it. Some of my best team members have been CC transfers or ‘commuter school’ grads.

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Many people to use the community College Road because it’s more economical for them. As the big firms look to become more diverse , these arbitrary requirements sect to do more harm than good. We lose good candidates by being arbitrarily selective.

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