I do not do client work. I am internal to the firm. It seems that the client facing people on here all work ridiculously long hours. Why is that? Just trying to understand the culture of client work

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Because this industry is full of insecure overachievers.

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Our MDs sell too much scope for the resources we have. When clients negotiate price, MDs remove resources to keep the margin but they do not reduce scope. #doingmorewithless. This is 1 of many reasons. We need better boundaries in general. Clients are demanding.

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Because watching harvard graduates overworking for your stupid project feels like the big money spent was worth.

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Welcome to America. If you want the rewards of success you have to work for it. Because if you don’t, if you leave your client or your boss waiting, then there will be some hungry penniless immigrant who wants a better life for her family who is willing to work harder than you for it. Im not condoning. Or judging. But we need to understand the world we live in, and how it differs to other countries.

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@mck1 has no idea

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From the confines of Deloitte office at 9:15 pm on Friday - most of us have meetings all morning with no time to do actual work. Apart from scope creep; unachievable expectations, tight deadlines and consultants’ love to indulge in self pity are major contributors

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People who manage or execute work are generally trash at organizing work efforts to be efficient - there are obviously exceptions. Even things that are “over scoped” can be done in time given proper planning and execution. And if you do finish work too fast, people look down at you because it’s “bad optics”. There were people at my last job who would watch streaming sports until 4pm then work till 7 to make it seem like they were working hard. My best roles were working from home because people could only evaluate outputs and not how it got done. It’s a work hard and dumb / optics culture in America. Move to Germany if you don’t want to play this game.

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Specific to Booz Allen - the culture on the client side is that we never say no to the client, no matter how unreasonable the request. Thus, we often find ourselves working unreasonably long hours to meet overly-tight deadlines or make up for a lack of adequate staffing. Some of us are lucky to have contractual limits on our hours, but what that usually means is that we work crazy hours for 3 weeks out of the month and then take it easy for a week to make sure we don’t exceed our hours for the month. Every team handles things a bit differently, since the firm does not have an official policy for comp time.

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So I’m internal too. I’ve been in some positions that required me to work long hours and some that have been 8-5. I’ve had bosses who worked till 3 am and then up again at 5 am when necessary. My current boss probably puts in 12 hrs a day. For me, personally, I started to draw boundaries when child 2 and 3 appeared. Before than even being internal (but supporting the client than) there were plenty late nights. My point is it really depends on what you want to put in and what you want to get out. Also keep on mind this is an online forum that are plenty of people doing the 8-5 (maybe getting in later) as consultants bc that works for them.

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I think a lot of the work is artificially inflated due to time spent traveling.

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