I feel like Deloitte is getting real slimey. Putting more than the typical number of staff on PIPs, to give themselves the opportunity to fire people for cause in a month or two without severance or anything.

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We give severance to everyone, even those on PIP

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I have always felt that Deloitte is Amazon of big 4

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Maybe but without AWS

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Not slime - purely business .

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Severance pay isn't the only issue. It's more that they have to explain to their next employer that they were fired based on performance, rather than the true reason of COVID-19.

It’s almost as if it’s a for-profit business and not a charitable organization

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I didn’t hear the Dan call for myself but a lot of people I respect and admire are getting the calls for PIPs. How can they actionable improve in this climate when they’re already doing so well?

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Have worked with them personally. Have seen their metrics and numbers. Have heard partners praise them behind closed doors.

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We’re doing the same thing here at PwC, all while claiming that we’re not letting anyone go during a crisis

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If you think that 5k people got cut during CRT you’re out of your mind.

We no money.
You cost money.
We no more you.

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Not all layoffs are performance related. There are folks who were removed with reason as "Covid Layoff" and this includes non PIP folks. In india they are following a different approach where folks are put on PIP for few weeks because of some rules by government. In a normal year, these folks would get a chance to bounce back next year without being laid off but in Covid era, they might get removed.

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Is your coach the one to tell you if you’re on PIP?

So are those on who are getting put on PIP essentially on their way out?

Yes

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When we let people go for performance reasons, we don’t consider that “for cause.” What you’re suggesting is 100% not what’s happening.

Is this any different from all firms, MBB included, ratcheting up CTLs in bad times so that they can claim they've never laid anyone off?

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