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I had always felt that America was the best country to live in for freedom, career opportunities, and education. Now after witnessing what has been happening for the last few years, I’m deeply troubled by our leaders and their priorities and values, and I’m now seriously thinking of moving to Canada or Scandinavia to live and raise my children.

Anyone else feel the same?

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The problem is not Trump. It’s the people who are so quick to want to scrap capitalism, change the fundamentals of the country, belief in equality rooted in socialism and pitching us constantly against one another, the media constantly highlighting the most banal parts in the evil ones, constantly projecting hate and telling people they are victims, advancing and perpetuating lawlessness in the name of justice etc.

It’s the one cop who does the evil and all the other cops cover up for them etc.

Go elsewhere. You have no skin in the game so you are quick to want to abandon and jump ship. Instead of staying and believing that America becomes better because you lend your optimism. You lend your voice. I bet you are outraged but not enough but to just leave. Abandon ship. Sometimes these guys are the real looters.

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GH1- And that’s all you took from those valid points.

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I think about this a lot, but with Colombia because I have family there.

My problem is the financial sacrifices I would be making--I am not ready yet to forgo (or replace through remote work) my salary so I have not taken the plunge.

The point made by someone above about rules, fitting in, and racism seems extremely true in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, and Iceland. These are extremely homogeneous populations. Even though you are American and the odds are you will tend to get treated better than most foreigners, you will likely still be an outsider.

I'm not sure about Canada, but I have heard people say that the wages are so much lower and the free health care is not worth that trade off if you're employed and insured in the US.

You have to consider the climate and lifestyle you'd be giving up. I'd be selling a very comfortable 3 bedroom house and a truck to a small vehicle or bike/walking/public transport + small apartment. I am near family here and enjoy the weather here 10 months a year (July and August are so hot it feels like the surface of the sun), so I'd consider the climate.

It's up to you of course.

Immigration is at times an arduous process so investigate the process. Lots of paperwork and there is no guarantee that the other country will accept you

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No, and you’re not seriously considering doing that. You’re using it as a figure of speech to generate “likes” on the app. This rhetoric was used frequently when trump was elected in 2016 as many celebrities and common citizens threatened to move to Canada if he was elected. I don’t recall any of those celebrities or others actually going through with the empty rhetoric.

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Many of the same celebrities were supposed to leave if Bush won and they never followed through on that either.

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As someone from Asia, which has almost half the people in the world, I agree US has its problems but there is no other country I would rather live in for the opportunities, the freedom and education it provides. The current president might be booted out in nov but nonetheless US can’t be beaten for everything it provides, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon

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I’ve grown up my whole life knowing one mistake could be the end of my career and all of my hopes and dreams, while I’ve had non-black peers with multiple DUI’s, slaps on the wrist for drug possession/distribution, sexual assault etc. because the implicit bias for non-black people is sympathy and care, while the implicit bias for black people is we deserve the pain and the situation we’re in.

Look at the 80s crack epidemic. The black people were degenerates, made bad choices, etc., but with the current opioid epidemic those poor non-black midwesterners need our sympathy and support.

The narrative clearly changes by race.

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I do agree, I moved from Germany to Switzerland thinking to have the optimal country. Which it is, but attached with it are rules, laws, fitting in and compromising. Yes, beautiful nature and high standard of living, but also racism and inflexibility. I would say similar things would await you if you moved to Scandinavia (don't know about Canada). Yes, you get a lot, but you also have to pay high taxes, follow the rules, fit in, etc..

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There no perfect country, at least you paid taxes got a good and free schooling system and universal healthcare... now I a agree, I did see some indirect racism in Switzerland

Plenty of immigrants come here thinking the US is the best place on Earth until they get here and realize the American Dream is an illusion for most.

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Spot on

America is a great country. It has its flaws just like everywhere else. Unfortunately its flaws are systematic against marginalized people and this needs to change, however this isn't just the last few years this is what this country was built on.

Moving to another country is a personal decision but if you were here 10 years ago, the same things were happening and likely at the same rate, just not getting filmed as much.

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As much as the US has problems, others certainly have them too. My community has been good to me. And again, this “leader” we have may be voted out in November so maybe things will improve again.

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A.) Nobody knew for the 18 months they were bathing their children in filth and neuro-toxins

B.) Not much cash in those families and now their homes are literally worthless. Some moved, but many have nowhere to go and no way to get there.

No country is perfect OP, my parents came from India to make a better life for us here. I know this country has its flaws but I think it’s worth fighting for and improving it for our future generations. Just my two cents.

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Please move to Canada. Less people here who are ungreatful for what America is the better 😁

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What? And miss all the excitement of the brewing Civil War 2.0?

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Every country has it's issues. The US has many of them. Unfortunately a great amount of propaganda has blinded people to those flaws. If you skip town, just be very aware of the issues of the countries you are headed to.

I personally been strongly considering heading down to Colombia or Costa Rica.

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Me too!

Even if Donald is kicked out in Nov, nothing will change because people are easily offended, but this has been the case for decades. Real change takes efforts and big systematic changes to the system..and most Americans are "ah, too much work..."

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Thanks for visiting

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The US have always had racism against black people going on for centuries, it’s nothing new. If you thought otherwise, you were extremely lured.

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America does have all those things you mentioned but its different for everyone. feel all of this to my core especially right now given our current environment. My heart breaks for us all

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I want it all exposed. Leave no stones unturned.

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Later skater!

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Well the leaders are elected by the people.

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I’ve lived in 8 different countries on four continents and I find lots of things to love everywhere I go. Every place has its pros and cons.

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A black woman was thrown off a 24-story balcony by police in Toronto this week. I don't think Canada is the answer.

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I don’t know if it’s as bad, but Canada looooves to hold a holier-than-thou opinion about it since it seems to be a part of their identity. In the US, we discuss our racism openly and care about it enough to make it a central, driving issue. In Canada, they just pretend it’s paradise. Ffs, Trudeau was shown doing blackface and all it got was a shrug whereas in the US it would be a national scandal.

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