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I have 3 YOE and and MS and I’m noticing that many managers and people who have 10+ yoe are very behind when it comes to their data technologies specifically, lacking in Python and cloud . Why is this with data being such a fast moving field why aren’t this people riding to the occasion of learning? Most of them just stick to SQL and excel 😅

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Sure - I’ll bite. I don’t know Python. [although I can read it and generally follow the syntax - you code enough, you get the gist without knowing the syntax] I spend very little time actually writing code these days. That’s what I have a team. My job is to have my team [not me] deliver the highest quality work possible. I spend my days in meetings, lots of meetings - managing people, reviewing analysis, managing clients, writing presentations, thinking. All trying to get the most out of my team. Very little actual coding. If I had an individual contributor role - of course I’d learn it.

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Give yourself another 5 years and you'll see a similar post on FB complaining that some older folk like you only use python and why can't they use the newer tech?

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5 years? I give it another 1-2 before all the Julians are calling out the die-hard Pythonistas

SQL has been around since the 70s and isn’t going away anytime soon. I think the demand for languages like python didn’t ramp up until 5 yrs ago Plus, once you start climbing the ranks it’s more about applications of technology and ensuring your teams are able to apply it. There are exceptions of course, but consulting especially follows this model

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Their job has changed. If you are a manager with 10+ yoe, you're managing others who get the core work done, so knowing the latest tools is less important.

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This. I know SQL but I have also programmed in SAS, R and SPSS. My job has shifted me away from writing code but my past doing so means I can help support my team when questions arise. Meanwhile, I have the experience to understand more than just the math of how models work. I can guide my team on proper methodology with tips on approaches to test that allows them to be productive while I’m in meetings.

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Also, it used to be C and its variants, then Java, then SAS (for analytics). You're always playing the catch up game with tech in an individual contributor role. Python makes it easier to learn, but it's really a wrapper for C.. and most of what they teach in bootcamps have been around for some time. It isn't truly advancing technology, it is democratizing what previously has been more difficult to learn/master.

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Thanks for the insight :) I wasn't truly sure, but I know it was one of the C variants. Don't have a CS background.

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What do you think managers are doing when they’re not in meetings? Because it’s not coding that language we started +5 years ago anymore. When it comes to tech, I’ll support the fact that we have to constantly read up on new developments in platforms/tools/software/science. That doesn’t mean we’ve had hands on with it, but we can find the SME who does. The CTO of any company doesn’t implement, but he has a shitload of SMEs who do. As a manager, you lead - that’s why you move up.

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When you surpass the initial high of being a tool junkie, you will realise data science at its core is an advisory role which requires a good mix of critical thinking and algorithmic understanding ( which come only from real world experience). The value prop of a senior analytics colleague is business problem solving ability, stake holder engagement, story telling, and seeing through delivery mishaps.No excuse for not keeping up with what’s out there from a conceptual standpoint though. Also, Let engineers do the job of writing optimized code and respect the skill, learn enough to not get balked by them, when transferring code.

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You said it very well. Agree!

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They don’t have as much energy/motivation to learn as much as you are willing to. In other words, they already have a family and a job with a fat paycheck so there’s no motive. But you do because you’re still building you future. Source: A fellow youngster with 3 YoE and lots of technical skills

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SA1, your tech skills will only take you so far. As you move up, you'll need to learn so much more than just coding skills. The energy and motivation are always there but the focus is different.

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At least in Consulting, I don't care what you use. As long as you can produce accurate results in reasonable time, you're golden. I personally know Python, SQL, C# and a dozen other scripting + app dev languages. BUT I'm not going to jump on the "cool" bandwagon unless I know there will be return for using say Python vs SQL.

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It's human behavior to stick with something one knows.

You are so young in the game. Keep at it and you'll find all the cool tech you love is sitting on a Fortran server. All the new programming languages are just C abstractions to make it easier for you and me (7+ years) to learn programming. All the models you run are just coded math from 1950s and 1960s statistics journals. Instead of asking why they don't learn new programming languages ask them what they were building in early 2000s. Even better, ask a really old programmer what they were making back in the 80s or 90s.

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