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I just recently made manager at EY (this month) and a recruiter has reached out to me regarding an associate role at Kearney. When I asked about a manager role they mentioned that I hadn’t been a manager long enough to qualify me for that role. Is it fair to have to drop in rank when making the transition from Big4 to somewhere like Kearney? Also what’s Kearney like as place to work at?

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Used to work at B4 and joined Kearney 3+ years ago - best move ever. Also took a step down (SC -> BA), but even though it was a step down in rank it was a step up in terms of compensation and responsibility. The same would be true for a M->A move in my geography (Europe). The smaller teams, more senior client stakeholders and generally more committed colleagues makes the move worthwhile and the progressively bigger comp difference I have experienced vs if I had stayed has also been a good benefit. Furthermore I have exploited the Kearney Global mobility program which is centuries ahead of the B4 mobility program.

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And as “Head of Group strategy & innovation” mentions above, I also would not see M at EY -> A at Kearney as a step down. Titles are used slightly different, rather than title, look at responsibility and remuneration to assess whether it is a step down or not.

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SMs or higher at B4 would find it extremely challenging to transition to a firm that operates at a much faster pace like Kearney with much higher expectations and demanding hours. It’s hard if not impossible to be retrained and retooled at that level. M to A transition is probably the last opportunity you have to make a jump to a strategy house, if that’s what you want. That is why you will make more money being an A at Kearney than an M at B4. $ is a much better reflection of whether it’s worth the downgrade. You know what isn’t? A bunch of uninformed opinions from strangers. Good luck

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Completely agree

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Don't settle for less than M You know as well as the rest of us that for you to have made M at EY you have been performing as M for a while. Don't sell yourself short.

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Agree. It’s Kearny we’re talking about, not MBB lol

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I dont think you have been hard done. M at EY is barely associate at Kearney... When I hire for strategy roles, I put SM at Big 4 the same as Associate / Consultant level in strategy houses like Kearney. M in strategy houses are Director levels at Big 4. The remuneration is reflective of that.

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@deloitte 1 smoking from my own experience 🤣... I have been running in house strategy teams for a few F500 companies so far and have hired enough ex consultants over the years. I pay their salaries so ...

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It’s Kearney not MBB. Don’t take a step back.

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~$205K+

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Kearney is a great place to work. We just had our comp adjusted and things are on the up. We have had big 4 managers come in as associates more successfully, the expectations on managers are quite high.

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Is it still feasible to come over as a B4 M and succeed in the M role?

If the $$$ is more, I'll gladly take less responsibility and the extra time to learn the org.

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It’s rather normal to rank down if you come from Big 4 (or boutique consulting, or industry). You should seriously consider it, it would be a great move 👍

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In my experience: great learning opportunities (short, intense, high learning projects typical of MBB and T2), being a bit smaller than MBBs you get a very broad experience (projects spanning both strategy and operations, across sectors such as aerospace, consumer goods, healthcare, oil & gas, government, etc), still large enough to specialise, fantastic international opportunities, excellent salary (comparable, but slightly lower than MBB)

I took a downgrade a couple years ago and really regretted it. I would suggest to not downgrade, can often have a negative impact on your career.

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Kearney is no different. The work will be no different. The recruiter is just trying to make an easy 30% of your salary by getting you hired. Tell me to F off. If I was in your shoes, I would stick it out until oct when the promotion goes live and then look at other opportunities.

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D1, I never said Kearney is MBB. I didn't come from Kearney but I have engaged them as client multiple times (used MBB, Strategy&, OW, all the Big 4s) and also hired across all those firms. I can responsibly say keaney along with strategy&, OW are as good as the MBBs and they are well respected in the industry. I can't say the same for Big 4 and I only use big 4 for very specific type of work. In industry, especially if you are at the senior level work directly for C suite or board, it is a common knowledge that likes of Kearney are a few notches above big 4. This is reflective in their charge out rate, type of work, and etc. Also, D1 I don't think you fully understood the title structure of Kearney. Associate level in Kearney is post MBA level... TC at that level is SM level in big 4. One of the suggestions I always give to young consultants are DONT JUST LOOK AT TITLE. Every firm has their own structure (it gets worse in industry), it is not standardised.

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Kearney is a solid Tier 2 and will ensure you have great exit ops or higher chance for M7 down the line Would be a different case if you were in EY—P growth strategy Best of luck OP with the cases!

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You should be honored to even be considered for an MBBK role at any level

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This is not even close Having left EY as a manager 20 plus years ago and made partner at the firm within a few years… There really is no comparison in the growth opportunities between the two. And I still love the new EY. (They sold consulting and got back in during these years) Your path to being a voting partner that matters at Kearney is just better.

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Tell them you’ll do 6 months at associate to learn org with promotion guaranteed (and in writing). If you wait to “earn” the promotion they’ll slow play you

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You may compromise on rank, but should not on salary. Assume you are making atleast 13% more now at EY, and your kerney compensation should beat that.

Agree C1 and A2.

What are your goals? If you are happy at big 4 and staying in consulting till partner is part of your plan, you should stay as you are one step close to that goal and you will make more money than you need. If you want to make a specific type of exit in X years, Kearney may help with that.

I’m an M at B4 interviewing for M at Kearney and now getting imposter syndrome… great

If you want it, you can. EY is great but expectations are just higher and the learning bigger at Kearney As a very young manager at EY, it was clear to me the culture was not going to accept the pace and intensity I had.

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