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I've had the worst application experience with Indeed (ironic given it's a job site). had a general recruiter reach out, then had the role specific recruiter call and moved me to next round. Scheduled a time during that call, but they didn't send a cal invite or confirmation. predictably, did not receive a call from the Hiring manager at the scheduled time.
throughout this process, they have gathered avail thru email. it's 2022, use Calendly or a greenhouse type tool! awful experience.
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Meh, don't sweat it, just control what you can control. If you were happy with your total comp before, hold on to that feeling.
The thing is is that I was happy because I thought that's what I deserved. Now I'm upset because I feel like I deserve more now. Do you understand ?
Same internal title/level? The title itself typically corresponds to a wide salery range commensurate with experience.
The newer hire may flounder because they are faking it until making it, or could have great success.
Do what you have control over and up your own performance and impact. Prove to your new employer that you are actually more experienced and senior, and deserve a raise and promotion in the future.
Firstly, you're not petty for feeling this way. I hate how in our society it's seen as a bad thing to have negative emotions. This feeling you're experiencing is an indication that you need to have a conversation with your manager about getting a raise. If you ignore this feeling and don't take action on resolving it it will eat you alive.
What you just said is everything I'm experiencing. I feel like it's been kind of like a smack in the face but you're right if I feel this way I need to ask for a raise.
I'm trying hard not to get annoyed by this, also because the ex coworker were fairly close at the previous job and I didn't even get a heads up that they were applying for a role. I was kinda happy to move on and leave the old team behind and now I'm just like...ugh, again?? And at the same level too??
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Not all careers progress at the same pace. If your ex-coworker got the same title and salary as you (how do you even know about the salary? Did they share it with you?), the most plausible explanation is that they performed on the same level as you in their interview. In my decade-long experience as a hiring manager, interview performance has much more weight on leveling than previous title(s) and years of experience.
As for why they didn't tell you they were interviewing at your new company, maybe they didn't want to jinx it, or they sensed that you might sabotage them. They didn't owe it to you to tell you.
Being upset about this is not going to do anything good for you, and if you share your feelings with anyone at work, you *will* sound petty and jealous, so let it go. In you want to progress your career more quickly, ask for more challenging projects, keep developing your skills, and demonstrate being a team player.
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Sure, I can elaborate! Every technical position I've hired for, or interview loop I've participated in for other teams, each interviewer who makes a hire recommendation also makes a level recommendation based on how well the candidate did in that part of the interview. For example, one interviewer's feedback might be "I would hire this candidate as a Sr. Data Scientist based on their SQL skills" and another interviewer might say "the candidate's knowledge of statistics is only at Data Scientist II level." Then the hiring manager makes a leveling decision based on all of that feedback. As to how the interviewer assesses the level, they are going off of company-internal leveling guidelines that are used to assess performance and promotion readiness. Those guidelines tend to be different from company to company, which is why we usually don't take the level the candidate was at in their previous company at face value.
I think you are new to IT world. I have 11 yrs of experience and witnessed many times tat sometimes even juniors can make more than u. It purely depends. Unless someone reveals what they make how do u know exactly ? Just chill. If you are not happy with wat u make go for higher salary with diff employer. No one can stop u. Sometimes people don't. Just my opinion
I mean I see your point but I think there's something to be said about getting lowballed, which seems to be what happened to OP here if they're offering junior members the same title/role
Just to clarify, I know they're going to be earning the same because the company has pretty set salaries for each role. I'm definitely not bringing up the pay conversation in relation to the ex-coworker (I was told in confidence anyway). But I guess I'm trying to figure out how to move forward and prove I'm worth more long-term. It just feels a bit demoralizing more than anything I guess, but I am actively trying not to focus on that
They must've have thought that since you two were from the same company, they'd be put on the same level you. Your work will speak for yourself though, they'lleventually realize the difference between you two.Might be a good way to ask for a raise, then?