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I know we all love to crap on the Indian outsourcing industry for h1b abuses, but just 20% of the 85000 visas go to Indian firms.With 70% visas going to Indian nationals, that means non Indian firms

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Is there a point to this boy? What's the call to action?

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I think the problem is more around the fact that foreign workers are brought in at lower wages when these companies (including US corporations) could be hiring Americans...

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You don't need to be an Indian firm to outsource work to cheap Indian labor. Your statistics don't tell the story you want them to.

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There are a lot of firms headquartered in US that are majority H1B employers - like Cognizant and others which won't factor in your calculation.

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BTA1 - your use case was the original intent of the h1b program and that is that not what people are against. People are against the abuse of the system - bringing in low wage workers to replace medium skilled IT positions. This abuse drives down wages and puts Americans out of work. People are trying to stop the abuse to make room for the truly higher skilled workers where there does not already exist ample supply. The arguments are really two sides of the same coin. You lose the benefits of H1B because of the abuse of the system.

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20% is still a lot...

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You are a consultant mate.. You need to do more prior to concluding something that fits popular narrative.. Application distribution by nationality, then sponsoring firms by country of incorporation... then control for outsourcing firms irrespective of country of incorporation.. Also need more on why multinational tech and outsourcing firms don't sponsor as many from other countries...

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And is it really a bad outcome for a manufacturer of auto parts, or a hospital system to have server maintenance be performed at a third of the cost? I believe it is a better outcome for the us economy

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hire Indians approximately 62% of the times they hire a foreign national - I really do not see the large scale abuse by Indians, it's just that the program is disproportionately benifiting Indians

OP has a point .. google the Department of Labor data (they are tracking it per policy) and you see how many visas were requested by every firm including Big Four, Accenture and IBM on an annual basis. Those numbers are not much off from the Indian pure plays.

DD1 - exactly! Op is completely missing the point.

SA1, the nature of the jobs that these companies hire for ensures that Americans cannot be hired for them - these jobs require employees to spend a few months in the US and perform the same duties from offshore centers the rest of the time. Jobs will be offshored even if there were no visas available to these companies.

It's a bad outcome when those savings aren't passed down to consumers. The problem is the abuse of the system is putting Americans out of work while only serving to line the pockets of the corporate board and shareholders. You really don't get it OP.

When people lose well-paid jobs, their spending power obviously plummets. How is that good for the economy, @OP?

@A1 Yeah, just keep saying you really don't get it until the other person gets annoyed and stops responding. Great strategy. Be a man, do the right thing 🤓

people against the h1b system fail to realize supply within the US does not meet the demand. grad school peeps with tech education can attest to how many Americans go to grad school.

A1, the benefits of living in a free market economy- competition ensures the perks from higher efficiency are passed down to the consumers. Companies are able to reinvest the savings, focus on their core competencies and pass savings to consumers and shareholders. Disney is not in the business of point of sale software, and if they are able to save x dollars by doing it more efficiently from India, they really should. Jobs get offshored, and the wages of H1bs doesn't matter, they are here for a few weeks to take the jobs back to offshore centers.

The point is, companies will offshore jobs even if there were no h1bs. There are h1bs working in the USA on a more permanent basis who are just like any other employees, the only difference is it is typically more expensive to hire them. It would be foolish for a company to hire a h1b for a US based position if a qualified American is available for a similar rate of pay.

And I doubt if there are unemployed American tech workers who lost out to h1bs because they decided they would rather be unemployed than work for 75k a year instead of the 95k they thought they are worth

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