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I know we're all out for calling out asshole men. But what about abusive women? It makes me sick to see ladies stomping on ladies. Anyone else?

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Honestly, I’ve had more bad experiences with women that hate women than misogynistic men. Personal experience-wise, most men have given me more of the subtle, usually implicit bias bullshit (still annoying obviously). But with women... I have experienced the catty-est shit, rumor starting, being clearly held back at work, critiques obviously due to intimidation, and straight up getting laid off because they don’t want another woman with a voice “in their territory.” 😑

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Yup. I have worked with my share of toxic women who would throw anyone around them under the bus.

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We've got one who is leading diversity and equality groups while still being know for being a huge bully who's difficult to work with. Why!?!??!?!

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I worked at a female managed company once that told me I couldn’t attend 3%. In order to do it, I had to take a vacation day, pay out of pocket, write a full page essay, present it and then maybe they would consider it. The CCO then followed up to tell me that 3% is only for women to bash men. It’s not a real thing. I received this email with our female HR person CC’d. That was 4 years ago when empowering fellow women wasn’t cool. Now they participate actively. They don’t send employees. They send management and recruiters to exploit their messaging, which is a sham. I say this because I wish I had investigated more. Always talk to people on Linked In who previously or currently work somewhere before you apply.

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Totally. I don’t think we have to prop each other up just for having a vagina, but tearing other women down should earn you a special slot in hell.

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I think abusive women are a direct result of abusive men, or working in a male dominated industry/society. The most common example I find at the office is that there's only room for one or a few women to join to the boys club and once a women breaks in she slams the door behind her to protect her spot instead of making room for others. I think calling out men helps to solve the larger issue (making space, changing the narrative, redefining boundaries) but calling out women is, in a sense attacking the victim. Not saying that some women don't deserve it and I have definitely worked with my fair share of challenging women, but could our energy be better spent helping them to be better leaders and making more room at the top?

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Yep! Too many times

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@R/GA 1 Completely. Unfortunately R/GA is one of the worst. I was subjected to lies, bullying, back stabbing etc. One of the most toxic environments I’ve experienced and it was due to the women in the key leadership roles.

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Toxic women leaders are the worst and the most dangerous.

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@ACD1 That is unbelievable. Wow. Also yes, LinkedIn and Glassdoor!!

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It’s on trend in these hallways, with Queen Bees in Strat and Account leading the charge.

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D5 why is it usually Strat and Account perpetuating this behavior? Ex-sorority syndrome. Every agency I’ve worked at they’ve been ruthless.

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CL1 I had the same experience at RGA. The lead female on the Account I worked on didn’t want any other women in leadership on the Account. She targeted me, lied to leadership and got me fired. Ruthless!

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@Sr Producer 1 I like your style

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Sorry to hear that. A terrible thing for anyone to go through. On the reverse, of the 4 agencies I’ve worked at, rga has been the best experience for me, by a long shot, in terms of gender equality & supportive female coworkers. A lot of amazing women who I share mutual respect with. It’s too bad that any 2 people can have such completely different experiences under 1 roof

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Unfortunately some of my worst clients have been women. I found their insecurities made their ugliest sides come out.

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