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I resent athletes who don't stand for the national anthem. Especially one day like today, where I'm reminded of the immense sacrifice so many have made for this country.

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Cool I'll step out there first. I'm a young black man. Jokes about ACN's lack of strategic and accountable leadership aside (jokes people, kinda), I'm fairly polished. I engage and manage stakeholders directly. I own a home etc. etc....all of this to say I'm not some "thug". I was walking in the parking garage across from my home office in Houston and was accused of suspicious activity by the police. I told them I worked at Accenture. He didn't believe me. He threatened me further and I had to get in my car and leave, even though I work there and paid to park there. On another occasion, I was pulled over for not signaling at a green light. I was driving a nice car and wearing a suit. I was questioned regarding the ownership of my car, I was questioned about my involvement with selling and using drugs and the officer kept his hand on his pistol, prepared to pull it from his unbuttoned holster. People are kneeling because there are some police (SOME) who threaten to and actually take the lives of Black American civilians damn year every day and are not held accountable, even when the murders are captured on camera. That's not justice. That's not liberty. I could have easily been one of them. That's what these protests are about - to raise awareness that this is a real problem and reality (not feeling) for many people of color every day. I'm kind of confused why more of us aren't kneeling honestly.

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@P1 Yeah, we've already established that everyone isn't a racist. I won't be parroting that over and over. We've had oversight boards and people calling for accountability for (literally) decades. That's part of the solution, but I hope you aren't victim blaming here. There's a system and structural issue that needs to be addressed as well.

When we look at the history of civil rights in this country, demands from the oppressed have been fairly clear - Douglas, WEB, MLK, and the BLM organization all have clear points of where they want change. Kaepernick has been clear as well - respectfully, I can share the links if you'd like even though It's all google-able. We have to choose to listen though. Sometimes (sometimes) we use the "what are your goals/specificity" angle to dismiss the problem. We all know the problems.

Lastly, I don't understand where the disrespect is. I get it can make one uncomfortable to look their own privilege in the face, but if a person doesn't believe their country is respecting their humanity and chooses to communicate that, I don't see how that's a slight to anybody. Then again, isn't the point of a protest to agitate? Again, we just got done praising Ali and he literally said THIS: https://youtu.be/ID3-vqADnRY

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Letter from Birmingham Jail (ext)

By Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., 16 April 1963

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

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I think it's a pretty ignorant way to protest, but this is America and we celebrate the fact that someone can do that kind of thing. Put another way - if you'd like to live in a country where everyone has to stand for the anthem, I hear North Korea is nice this time of year.

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As a (white) non-American, I wonder why Americans fetishize "freedom" and individuality, then get nasty when someone exercises exactly that

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Hey OP, I'm one of the guys who made those sacrifices in Iraq and Afghanistan. Lost a lot of good buddies.

None of them died for a song.

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"Protest this way, not that way". If it's a silent protest where it isn't hurting you or affecting your daily life, carry on. An American decided to protests the injustices in the United States. *surprise surprise* Many people in this country feel as if the system is not there to support them. This is not their fault. If anyone decides to voice this, whether they were affected or to spread awareness, more power to them.

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I think it's funny that people are so upset that simply not standing has folk so upset. We're so fragile. Also hypocritical since we just got done praising Muhammed Ali when he did and said much, much more direct things. I could say more but MLK literally said it flawlessly.

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As a foreigner who learned race when I moved here for college and work, I can tell you that a lot of people have lived oppressed for years or decades and have waited for someone or anyone in a position of influence to fight for their cause...

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Veterans have actually come out and supported Keapernick and the (silent and peaceful) protest. I'd much rather spend time talking about the content of the protest than the methods. Especially considering how tame and respectful this all is.

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It's their personal choice, just like its my personal choice to think they are shitheads

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@P1, they've been pretty god damn clear on their message. why don't you take a knee and sit this one out

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@P4 Thanks for the empathy. Means a lot. I'm hoping for a dialogue here, so I'm going to #bebrave again: These "discussions" become meaningful when we address root causes and embrace the uncomfortable aspects that come with the history of race in America and the sometimes (believe it or not) unconscious bias and racism of those in the majority. Police brutality is a problem, but it's symptomatic of lager systemic and structural issues in this country. This isn't to say all white people are bad and are black people are sinless, but the conversation has to be more than "let's stay unified and come together" stuff because honestly that type of language (1) assumes blacks and whites are or were ever unified - we are not and have ever been and (2) assumes there are two parties equally at fault and equally empowered to solve the problem - we all (should) know that isn't practically or historically true.

It will take ALL of us to engage and honestly grapple with solutions that may not feel comfortable to non minorities though. Ultimately the change won't stop until the people group that MLK was discussing in his aforementioned letter is willing to fully get on board.

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The fact that a number of you have your panties in a knot about Kaepernick protesting means it's been a pretty darn effective protest. I think they call this "white fragility". Keep it up, Kap!

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A1 is the better man here, no question. He spoke intelligently, promoted an open dialogue, and could speak to RW experiences that he faced. The people who reported him should feel ashamed of themselves, but I'd wager they lack the emotion to do so. Some people want to silence those who disagree with them, and historically, that's a very scary thing. @A1, looking forward to having you back. We're with you buddy

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D1 ... Nailed it.

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If we heard of a Tibetan who didn't stand during the Chinese anthem, what would we think of them?

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@A4, that flag represents a lot more than the servicemembers who've sacrificed our lives. If we were German veterans living in 1935 and chose not to stand for the national anthem because of the abuse we witnessed our government doling out to Jews, it wouldn't have been a disrespect to our buddies who died in WW1.
That you are offended by the action does not ipso facto make it disrespectful. He has been clear that he means no disrespect to our nations veterans or civil servants. I've draped my share of coffins in that flag myself, and I recognize what he is doing as an act of patriotism, regardless of whether you and I agree with his views or not.

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@A4, forgive my ignorance, but do you think your friends lives were more valuable over the lives of Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Tamir Rice, Freddie Gray, and countless others?

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I actually know who @A1 is. They told me their account was suspended rather suddenly so they can't comment further. So much for "an honest dialogue" I guess.

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Oh wow... guess A1 was found guilty of loitering on FB while black. What crazyness...

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