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If I had a dollar for every time a senior tells me they think they deserve early promote to manager (without an MBA) or every time an associate thinks they deserve early promote to SA (without an MBA)

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Problems are usualky solved by intradisciplinary solutions. The mba teaches you those other disciplines and also teaches you to build your solutions on a foundation of data that ties back to the company's financial statements. That way when you say here is my solution and here is my data and finally here is how my solution will affect your financial statement...it kind of carries more weight.

Also in an mba program...having the correct answer is only part of the solution. You had better be able to convince people that is the correct solution.

So its not that the mba makes someone better...its just that the training they have gone thru is pretty good.

Also...its too bad that your friends only got a network of friends out of their mba. I picked up that AND some nice skills and the ability to keep learning from my program

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@pc1 - i agree with you on the following
- the mba gets you nothing but the interview (you said job....but we are close enough)
- agree with you that doing (via controlled experiments..aka consulting) is the best way to internalize what you are learning
- and i agree that there is a wealth of knowledge out there

I think the mba is a great way to learn the material because not only do you have access to the same material but you get to debate its application with your fellow students and professors. Most of the time....your classmates are actually pretty smart too.

So i am not discounting learning on your own (heck i did a lot of that before i got my mba). But to say the school pf hard knocks and some books is superior to the mba is a hard pill to swallow.

I prefer the school hard knocks then an mba followed by the practicing what you learned with a chip on your schoulder

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I will take an undergrad with 2-3 years consulting experience on a team over someone who just got their MBA every single time. If I had a dollar for every hot shit MBA new hire I've met...well I'd have $6 which I guess wasn't the point.

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So I'm curious what it is about an MBA that makes one superior to non-MBA professionals? Other than the 'fictional experience' from biz school and the branding effect (if you went to a top biz school), what else is so good about having an MBA? Most people I know that did a top MBA program did so for rebranding

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U salty bro?

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You'd probably have like $15-$25 would be my generous estimate.

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Watch your tongue Slalom! My firm is full of assclowns, not asshats. Thems asshats are my boys over at BCG

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Grad school is a overrated. Feel bad for he poor suckers in 200-300k debt from grad school while other ppl are making 110-140k without it in a niche function 💁 I ain't sorry

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BTW MBAs are 100% a great idea, but they should not be used to try and establish yourself as better at this job than someone out undergrad. You are both equally terrible until a year or two in, and if you work with someone with more tenure but less pedigree than you, that person is almost certainly going to be better than you at this job..,

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It almost sounds like this can be translated to, "I can't sell clients our bill rate for our creativity or originality, so get the fanciest, shiniest MBA you can". I don't mean this so much as a knock on you rather than the industry

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If I did a 4 year business undergrad with internships and multiple concentrations (6 years total), and 4 years of consulting experience, your MBA fresh grad has nothing on me. Any hiring manager who doesn't agree is someone I don't want to work with anyway.

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We're still a strategy team, even if PWC bought us...get an MBA.

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I'll introduce you to my mentor, who will heartily disagree with you and would love nothing more than for me to forgo b-school, notwithstanding my fastidious resume-building to the contrary.

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👹👹👹👹⚪️

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All those MBAs didn't help S& not need to get bought out...

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Yeah I'd second that^. I mean I get your point that everyone wants to get promoted early, and thinks they deserve it. But I'd attribute that more to the type A people the firm hires and the vague guidelines they give for what qualifies you for promotion in the pwc world. In the end it just matters who you've worked with and who can fight for you, plus whatever bs metrics are being used in some secret algorithm for promos/bonuses. An MBA should not and does not dictate whether you get a promotion at this firm. I got an undergrad business degree, and there is no shortage of idiots who get into business school.

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@BCG direct promotes are twice as valued as new hire MBAs (backed up in performance scores) - and if they go to get an MBA, consider it a combination of a 2-year vacation and a branding / networking exercise. Internally, cocky new start MBAs are looked down upon (due to their lack of actual job skills) vs people who've actually done the time

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With my finest respects to your post-MBAs, I'd hazard to guess that the raw brainpower of Bain's ACs/SACs far exceeds theirs (as it does here, though I am admittedly biased). It's really about maturation for us.

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@ bain....cocky asshats suck all the time. Mba or not

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Who knew that such a simple post could so rapidly fan the flames of anger and discontent... let's go make the MBA great again, fishbowl

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I didn't read any of this. Just know OP didn't respond. Will assume they are wrong.

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