If I had a dollar for every time a senior tells me they think they deserve early promote to manager (without an MBA) or every time an associate thinks they deserve early promote to SA (without an MBA)

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So I'm curious what it is about an MBA that makes one superior to non-MBA professionals? Other than the 'fictional experience' from biz school and the branding effect (if you went to a top biz school), what else is so good about having an MBA? Most people I know that did a top MBA program did so for rebranding

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I will take an undergrad with 2-3 years consulting experience on a team over someone who just got their MBA every single time. If I had a dollar for every hot shit MBA new hire I've met...well I'd have $6 which I guess wasn't the point.

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Can an MBA be worthwhile, yes but it doesn't mean your are smarter or more capable.

In the recent HBR studies, MBA's were outperformed by founders and other disciplines.

The best way to learn is to do and MBA content is readily available on line. It's like Good Will Hunting, you could learn the same material with a library card or internet connection. If you are in consulting and a voracious reader, who applies what they learn, an MBA isn't a necessity.

I see masters grads from science disciplines, engineering and no masters, regularly outperform Ivy League MBA's who come in entitled, thinking their MBA got them anything except the job.

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OP you're an idiot. We direct promote non-MBAs due to demonstrated performance and roles as "acting-managers" they've earned far before their actual promotion. People "growing up" in the strategy consulting world have actually spent years doing the things you claim to be learned from an MBA. Also, promotion is about gaining the confidence from the Partner team to lead their projects - the elitist opinion of a mid-level manager is of little value (for your own sake, and your firm's, I'm assuming you haven't reached that level of tenure).

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^ how do i triple like that response

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Never been impressed by an MBA even Harvard. If you're good you're good.

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@pc1 - i agree with you on the following
- the mba gets you nothing but the interview (you said job....but we are close enough)
- agree with you that doing (via controlled experiments..aka consulting) is the best way to internalize what you are learning
- and i agree that there is a wealth of knowledge out there

I think the mba is a great way to learn the material because not only do you have access to the same material but you get to debate its application with your fellow students and professors. Most of the time....your classmates are actually pretty smart too.

So i am not discounting learning on your own (heck i did a lot of that before i got my mba). But to say the school pf hard knocks and some books is superior to the mba is a hard pill to swallow.

I prefer the school hard knocks then an mba followed by the practicing what you learned with a chip on your schoulder

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Who even does finance at the big 4 anymore.......

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ITT: OP gets a new asshole.

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Getting an MBA doesn't prepare you for the first job after graduation. It prepares you for the last.

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Someone drank the kool aid about the MBA wholeheartedly 🙄

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OP - you again can get those things, of higher quality experience, working as opposed to the MBA.

It can be a compliment but If you need to spend 200k on an MBA to get those traits, you aren't likely to be that good of a consultant.

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OP is talking shit so are most people here. I got direct promoted without an MBA too. If the whole point for you to do an MBA or any advanced degree is to 'get promoted' then i don't think you've grasped the point of 'growing in your career'

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@Slalom1: have you ever worked on corporate finance analyses and projections in industry or perhaps looked at what i-bankers or TAS professionals do?

Negative..just tech and IT strat projects. Never been happy with the analysis i see

Slalom1 - you can learnwith your clients and teams, I would say more so and you are gaining real experience, not simulated.

You can learna lot in an MBA but if you aren't trying to pivot to PE or banking, is it worth the 200k in likely total cost along with another 200k (easy), in forgone wages?

In consulting you can get to MBB without an MBA and in terms of income, You can make as much at the same age, MBA or not.

At Partner levels, having vs not having one in Big4 seems to be a toss up.

I am looking at ROI and value in consulting

I may go back to get an MBA, but only because I'm an actual lifelong learner... I enjoy learning and stretching. That is what led me to get an MA... not the promise of a job or promotion. Moral of the story (personally) is look for good people that are driven, are inquisitive, are able to think critically, and are not afraid to take informed personal risks. OP may be a 👹, but that doesn't mean we can't make this a decent post. 😎

Booz & Co... er... I mean Booz Allen with the shade 😎

And Monitor and Parthenon and Kurt Salmon... something something trends and market forces something something two by two framework scale vs. disruption something something...

Well that depends, the Partners or equity holders in S& - what was their equity buy and what did they get in the sale?

Thinking that being acquired is a failure, is shortsighted. I am at a boutique and hold equity. If we got the right offer, I am sure we would welcome the opportunity to sellout.

Did they need the buy or welcome it?

I don't have this problem... I simply tell them fine you make theses numbers and you get the promotion. Next year if you are unable to manage a team and perform with specific metrics you agree that I can term you right then and there ... if you are OK with that cool

An MBA is so much more than many of you think. It's about maturity, EQ, networking, learning different viewpoints, learning to work in teams that are thrust upon you, etc etc. we hire MBAs because of future potential as someone indicated, not immediate hard skills. I'm not promoting you to be a 26 year old to manager. You're too young. And that doesn't make me an ageist.

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