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To mitigate severity. Vaccines aren’t 100%. But they do offer protection from getting it, AND lessen the symptoms if you do.
My wife tested positive for a breakthrough case on Saturday. For 3 days she had an insane cough, severely sore throat, and her chest “felt like it was on fire.” If she wasn’t vaccinated, there’s NO doubt that she’d be in the ICU right now; OR worse. No question.
Thankfully we follow proven science and she feels much better now. And I’m still testing negative. This is without a doubt due to vaccinations and boosters.
My buddy’s neighbor died last Friday b/c she refused to get the vaccination. She said “Jesus told her not to get it.” She’s now spending the holidays with Jesus.🤦♂️
OP this is from the article you listed from Science:
"The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated. "
And this is from August, so even before Omicron they knew your best bet is to get vaccinated no matter what.
There are a couple reasons:
1. Natural Immunity Wanes - Natural immunity, like the vaccines, loses effectiveness over time, at which point your options are to a) get covid again b) get a vaccine to improve effectiveness. The obvious smarter action is to go get a vaccine to improve your immunity and reduce spread. It’s a readily available solution that reinforces your immunity after it declines. Natural immunity is also highly variable - 1/3 of COVID-infections don’t develop the antibodies.
2. You’re more likely to get COVID again. Many studies have pointed that re-infection is much higher (at least with previous strains about 2x) for those who are unvaccinated, but had covid previously compared to those who just had a vaccine.
3. Super Immunity - all the papers people cite to show natural immunity tend to come to the same conclusion that gets ignored as misrepresent the paper. The final conclusion, especially in the heavily cited Israel study, is to get vaccinated. Being vaccinated + having had COVID before makes you the most protected group. This helps reduce infection, symptoms, spread and death. Getting vaccinated after having had COVID or vice versa helps reduce community spread by making you one MUCH less likely vector for transmission.
4. Policy and Human Decisions - It’s MUCH easier to vaccinate an entire population of people. If the government gave a blanket pass to natural immunity, you bet there would be people and state/local governments who would pass and develop some stance to just to get COVID instead of a vaccine. This only prolongs the disease’s spread, allows for more mutations and will kill more people.
5. Antigen testing - there isn’t actually a reliable, mass produced way to test your levels of antibodies and whether your level is sufficient. Even if you take a test that gives you the exact level, I’m not 100% sure if it’s effective. The vaccine is heavily tested and we at least know it works very well with a much lower risk of complications. Immunity also extends way past antibodies and involves memory b and T cells, which I can’t test how effective they are at scale.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/28/1031287076/antibody-tests-should-not-be-your-go-to-for-checking-covid-immunity
In the end, it really all boils down to the fact we have a readily available solution that gives immunity, improves waning immunity, and is much easier to administer and measure.
You also talk a lot in other threads about how your infection from 15months ago is better than all the people who are vaccinated now. How do you confidently know your 15 month old antibodies are better even though they’re really old? The early studies are showing effectiveness of past infection without a vaccine is much worse against omicron versus previous variants. Your effectiveness of avoiding infection is about 19% versus 20% for a vaccinated two-dose group, so you’re actually really no better and probably worse off personally because your infection was so long ago.
Omicron is breaking through two-dose regimens much more easily than before, but if you get a booster, you’re better protected and even better protected with vaccine + previous infection.
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I confess I don’t want to see another COVID vaxx debate
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I also don’t get why my company makes me wear shoes. I grew up in the mountains and from when I was young I learned to walk barefoot. My feet have formed calluses to where I don’t need shoes, I can seriously walk around anywhere without them, but my company and businesses when I try to enter require me to put shoes on against my freedoms to make everyone else happy
Ok then don’t. 🤷🏼♂️
So your not ‘forced’ to get vaccinated. You just roll off the client and will be put onto another.
I am getting tired of seeing this posted over and over. You work in Big 4, I’m sure you can use Google. https://lmgtfy.app/?q=why+get+vaccinated+if+you%27ve+had+covid
You can get Covid more than once
You do realize what a vaccine does? It trains your body to create antibodies to fight the virus. It’s just the vaccine is much much much more safer doing it than actually getting the virus.
The reason you get the vaccine just like everyone else is because your body will decrease it’s immunity over time just like what has happened with the first two shots. This is proven over the past year with people contracting Covid multiple times while not being vaccinated. So you boost your immunity by getting a booster shot to help your body identify and fight the virus.
Look, this is all stuff you can easily read about by going to reputable sources. Stop going to sources that are not reputable and stop listening to people. Go educate yourself by reading first hand about it.
In short, don’t get the booster. Nobody gives a shit anymore because as the old saying goes, “you can’t teach people common sense.”
Good Luck!
Rising Star
@OP Though the C-19 antibodies left from the virus are stronger verses those from vaccination, they still wane over time (my friend caught Delta twice).
None, it’s just easier for most people to not get antibody tests every month. But your approach works just as well.
I’m not arguing against the vaccine for those who haven’t been vaccinated.
I’m challenging why someone who has the antibodies should get a vaccine. Especially if those antibodies have lasted for 15 months from a natural infection
Antibodies are only part of the protection that vaccines provide. In a breakthrough infection (which can happen for those who have "natural immunity" and/or the vaccine), vaccines also stimulate the body's T-cell response to the infection, in most cases preventing it from replicating in your body and becoming a severe case. Severe cases are not just more severe to the person experiencing it, they are also more contagious because they carry a higher viral load. So, that is why everyone is pushing vaccines, they are more effective at preventing severe illness and death, and they reduce spread.