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Chief
Important to know that the “sides” in the U.S. are progressive and conservative, not progressive and abject stupidity. As Trumpism does not have conservative roots, you’ll find the debate between the former ideologies far more coherent and interesting than tribalists in the administration.
The race is toxic because the sitting president of the United States can’t coherently discuss policy, as he doesn’t have a doctrine. How do you debate the “merits” of 200k avoidable deaths?
Chief
There are 200k avoidable deaths. We don’t know how many would be less if we had a coherent response to COVID.
“What should be have done differently and what would you do now?”
Answered this exhaustively. Find the threads. There should not be 200k dead Americans due to negligence. Some were my friends. Carry on.
Chief
While I would be quite ok with throwing Trump supporters out, unfortunately its not feasible.
The whole talk of unity and one country would have been nice 4 years ago when they started splitting the country in two.
We have been way too kind to the Trump cult and the extremists that support it.
Conversation Starter
Were still there...but most of those in Congress have been primaried out so dont have a platform. A lot of us are voting for Biden, a lot are voting 3rd party, and some are holding our nose and voting for Trump.
I was solidly in the 3rd Party camp until Schumer started talking about killing the filibuster...
The other side peddles in QAnon grade pizza pedophile ring theories while backing a President who’s literally all that they project on the other side. So yeah, the other side is completely illiterate and morally reprehensible. Sure, this side is extra sensitive and easily offended on often what are nothing burgers but it’s night & day.
Conversation Starter
Sure PM, all that stuff is empirically bad and I don't support any of that (although I certianly think youre prone to hyperbole).
But my belief is that all that stuff goes away with no lasting damage to the country once Trump is gone.
The filibuster would never come back once its gone - its 100% permanent damage.
Rising Star
You do not negotiate with terrorists
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Thanks for telling me what I think PM1! I had almost forgotten that there can be no nuance there.
I absolutely support expansion of Medicaid and reforms to the healthcare system, just not the public option that Democrats advocate for.
Similarly...I suspect my positions on education would help close the equality gap in a far more effective manner than "free college for everyone who makes under 135k" and an attack on charter schools that Democrats are pushing for these days...
Conversation Starter
I understand your point but you are trying to normalize Trump supporters. There is nothing normal about them. I think this quote from Stuart Stevens, a former GOP strategist, sums it up best:
“It is the combination of the anti-intellectualism, the anti-education elements of the Republican Party, and the anti-elite elements of the Republican Party, so-called, that have culminated in this toxic brew that is killing tens of thousands of Americans. I mean, more Americans are going to die because of this combination of political beliefs than major wars. This virus [is] attacking Americans. And Donald Trump is making it a lot worse, and we all know this. But Republicans won’t even stand up to defend America.”
Trump supporters want to kill democracy and make America an autocratic country like Venezuela, Turkey, and Russia.
Those who want to save American values and our Constitution are progressives, moderates, and real conservatives. They are the true patriots.
Half? Are there that many racist people out there?
It’s like you cant even help yourselves from doing it. You all seem to be hell bent on dividing the other side down into caricatures and then dehumanising them.
What do you all think about splitting the country into two and everyone is allowed to self select into the side they like?
Rising Star
Content director on point exactly!
Enthusiast
Well, we know how those illiterate people vote.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/11/african-american-students-lagging-far-behind