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If you were let go from and agency, do you get blacklisted from the whole holding company? Like even a few years down the road?

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Yep. And I can tell you it’s not like that. The systems are far too disjointed. Ogilvy has no freaking idea what AKQA or Grey or myriad other WPP shops are doing. Same with all the others. Maybe a small HC might? But even then. HR turns over every 2-3 years. There’s just no system that exists that links the HR department of all HC’s together. Also would be a legal violation and huge risk to share confidential employee info. The only time I EVER spoke to another person in another agency was when a person at RGA wanted to come to The Martin Agency (IPG) and we had to confirm their salary. Inter-HC hires are often checked with home agency because of the non solicitation clause. RGA can’t poach from Huge TMA McCann etc. If a candidate wants to move jobs within a HC, we have to verify their salary and they cannot get a significant raise. I think it was capped at 10% when I worked at TMA. That was awhile ago though. In short. No, there is no permanent black mark unless it was something highly illegal (rape, embezzlement, bribery) and there was a legal case. Even then, look how many serial sexual predators are fired and rehired.

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This is so incredibly helpful! Wish there were more people with your title in this bowl. Would you know if WPP is still checking interagency salaries? The new policy makes it seems like they don’t...

The only thing that gets dicey with holding companies is if you're currently at an agency and you're looking for a new gig at a different agency under the same holding company. They can get squirrely about that. But beyond that, they are all pretty separate entities. Unless you did something REALLY bad, there's no blacklist.

we have a memo that says we can’t poach from another agency in the network but they are free to apply on their own.

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Hell no. Unless you did something heinous

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Nope. Unless you murdered someone at your desk and ate their brains for lunch.

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Or microwaved the cook and left them in the kitchen 🍛

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No, unless you did something like sexual harassment

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No? No examples? Okay, thanks!

No. Holding company agencies don't talk to each other nearly as often as they pretend they do. Even network age does, from country to country, rarely ever talk, and almost never about staff. However, if you're applying at BBDO NY and they see you worked at BBDO Toronto, they can easily reach out and ask what you were like. They probably even know people at each agency to get non-HR approved answers.

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Ha I was blacklisted by an agency who’s HR trash talked me to another agency (same holding company) in town and stopped an offer that was in progress. I’m sure it was off record since everyone knows everyone and Miami is an unethical hell hole. 🤷🏽

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That was the one we called “Miami Producer Public Masturbation” one

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I always heard the holding company do not hire list was serious and permanent. I was let go for performance a decade ago and have avoided applying for jobs from that HC since then. Any recruiters on here that can weigh on?

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I heard let go / laid off no, but if you were fired even if for "performance reasons" your name does get flagged

Totally, my understanding was that if you’re let go, more often then not it’s technically a layoff—even if effectively it’s more like a firing. Thanks!

Yep was to “are any recruiters here”.

Thank you, always appreciate hearing a recruiter's perspective

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