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I'm a woman, dating a guy who used to work at the shop I'm at now -- same position. I have 5 yrs more exp, way more responsibility, and am kicking ass...but making substantially less. Do I raise this?

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Yes but not with that framing. Argue why you are underpaid. Find a source that provides objective salary ranges.

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I agree with SVP1. Here’s a true story as to why.... A friend of mine checked out a portable drive from the IT dept to back up her files. Guess what was on there? A file with everyone’s salaries. She found out that she was paid significantly less than others at her level yet had the most responsibility and also kicked ass for many years at this place. She put the drive back and said nothing to IT. Three days later she goes in and makes a case for getting a raise. Doesn’t mention the file. The next day they gave it to her. Sometimes you just gotta ask, you know?

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Ask for a raise you deserve it. Whether they grant it to you or not suggest a pay audit by gender and race.

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God no! Bury it deep inside until it forms a bright burning rage that melts through your body and manifest in a fit of violence. Or- you can always ask for a raise and hear some bs excuse why they can’t give it to you. Or- or you know where the bodies are buried and happy to spill the beans. Just make sure that when you are blackmailing them you have plausible deniability. Then OP you will be working like an executive.

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Most likely there is a salary band for your role. And too often women ask for less and the agency is more than happy to give them the lower part of the band. It sounds like you have the years experience and the performance to be compensated on the high end. Here’s the challenge - when you get promoted it’s done by %- so unless you get a market adjustment NOW, even if someone tries to promote you to fair pay in the next band they will be met with resistance that it’s too big an increase. Push for the right base so you don’t lock in a trend of low comp and ask them to commit that you won’t have that held against you when your raise discussion comes up (ie “over the course of the year your total comp increase was a combined x% so your promo bump is smaller). Agencies are aware of the pay gap and know it’s in their best interest to fix it

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Roughly $15k less. Objective salary range won't work as what I make will still be on the high end. I'm awaiting the formalization of a promotion and I am dreading the moment where I find out my new and improved salary... and it's exactly what my bf made in the lower title. 😶

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Yeah, are you paid substantially less than the prevailing salary for your position in your ZIP code?
Or just compared to this one guy who's your bf?

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@VP1, I like your style. I totally know where the bodies are buried.

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@AD1 wouldn't that be nice? To be able to negotiate a raise? Alas, massive holding company -- so everything has to go through multiple rounds of approval in other countries and it takes months and months and you're expected to weep tears of gratitude if anything ever actually goes through. And then you're locked out of any other raises for X years after that, because of arbitrary rules. Great system, yeah?

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OP if I’m reading this right, you aren’t underpaid. He was overpaid?

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How much less? Just curious

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Then get ready for the negotiation of the salary you want / deserve for the promotion. Build your case for that. Who cares about your current salary. That's shortly in the past. But don't let yourself in the same situation as before

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Definitely talk to a person in charge about it but not in that way. It’s a touchy subject to begin with despite gender. Maybe ask how you are performing and is there an issue in your performance that is resulting to the lower pay. Once you get that info, you can talk about equal or better pay. Who knows. They may have justification for paying you less and you perhaps might not have realized and agree with them? Not suggesting you suck at your job but talk it out before you take it any further.

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OP, ECD1 is basically saying the same thing I was saying. Btw, I worked in 4 (out of 5) independent shops precisely for this reason you describe. You can make a conscious choice about where you want to be employed. It's multifaceted, of course, so depends what you have higher on your own priority list.

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What if you have asked for more money and they said it's not in the budget? I question regularly if the 2 men at my level are making more than me and my female counterpart. I have the most seniority and the hardest clients. I often think about going to HR and asking point blank.

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@McCann that seems like an odd way to view a gender pay gap: "Oh well, little lady, he is just overpaid is all. Let's not get greedy."

For what it's worth, I am probably underpaid for my level of responsibility and level of performance, but I know everyone thinks they're hot shit, so you'll have to take my word on that one.

To substantiate: last spring I was offered a 30% raise for another position, which would have taken me well over bf's old salary, but I turned it down because my would-be supervisor seemed very, very unpleasant.

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@Director1 that's a familiar story. Or in my case, we have heard "hiring freeze" for so long that you're supposed to assume it's a no and not ask. But I badly don't want to fall into the trap of leveraging another offer, because my direct supervisor is all about loyalty. It would defeat the purpose, but I feel kind of stuck. I want to stay! Just want fair compensation.

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