Interviewed at a few firms and I’m at a crossroad. I have a little over one year of experience doing insurance defense work. The two options are Personal injury associate (no billables) or Insurance defense associate (2100 billables). Pay is the same. Any advice?

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Let me put this as succinctly as possible. DO NOT GO FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD INTO INSURANCE DEFENSE. DO NOT GET TRAPPED IN A DEAD-END INSURANCE PRACTICE. GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN

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And it’s pretty uncommon to jump back or anywhere else once you go plaintiffs PI. you have the opportunity to make legitimate FU money, but that opportunity will generally always be available for you and not Vice-versa

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The first class in law school should be teaching students that the first job they take out of law school is likely to be the area they work in for the rest of their careers and therefore to be quite choosy.

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What are the bonuses like? Most plaintiff’s firms provide bonuses for settling a case or taking a verdict, especially if you bring in the case yourself. Most ID firms give bonuses for billable hours (and potentially other, smaller discretionary bonuses).

Do you want to stay in these areas?

2100 billable is a lot to hit prior to getting a bonus... maybe negotiate that down to 2k?

For the first year at both firms if I meet/exceed goals, then a raise. This continues yearly at Id firm.

At plaintiffs firm, 2nd year + = 1/3 of 1/3 of cases settled/tried

PI! 2100 is very high!!

Billables way too high.

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