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Is sleep and breastfeeding mutually exclusive? Are there any moms who successfully breast feed for more than 6 months while baby slept through the night from the beginning? Both are impotent to me but if only one can be achieved I want to reset my expectations.

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I don’t think any baby can sleep through the night from the beginning. But both of mine have been EBF and slept through the night ~8 weeks. But even if they were formula fed, I don’t think they would have slept through the night any earlier. Babies need calories overnight for the first little bit.

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Even a formula fed baby won’t sleep through the night for most likely 8+ weeks (and that is the earlier end). But giving formula can allow YOU to sleep through the night (at least sometimes) by giving the night shift to dad, grandma, paid help (night nanny), etc.

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They are not. You can EBF and have JR sleep through the night. Typicall they (breast fed or formula fed) need to be about 16lbs to consistently sleep through the night but around 12lbs you get blocks big enough from time to time to make it the whole night.

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I know three mothers who EBF and had their baby sleep 6-8 hour stretches after 4 weeks. One was off the charts 99.999999 percentile baby (like literally an outlier). Another was just 98/99th percentile. The third was about 50th. Unfortunately those people were not me. No matter how hard I tried with schedules and sleeping environment! It was very humbling. Not sure if this helps but my babies were born at 9th and then went up to 50/60th.

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D3 - EBF. 9th at birth, 25th at 3 months, 50th at 4 months, 60th around 6-8 months

We both started sleeping through the night at four months (no pumping in the night). And we are still BF at 12 months. He moved to eating once a night around 2 months in which I did a dream feed and one nights feeding until 4 months.

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Yes, I second the dream feed! I’m a night owl and don’t go to bed until midnight, so I would put my baby to bed around 8pm and then dream feed him right around midnight before I went to sleep.

G1 &A1, teach me your ways! We're 4 months and still wake up 3 times in the night. Mama is tired 🥱

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A2 - every baby is different, but we get 2 wakeups from 10pm-10am at 5.5wks EBF (she likes a late bedtime 🤷‍♀️) The 1st wakeup is around 5-6hours in (4h30amish) and a "snoozy" almost dream feed - baby sleeps in bedside bassinet so I just grab her, stick her on boob sidelaying, and she fills up in 10mins then back to bassinet. The 2nd wakeup is 3-4 hours later (7-8am) and usually a diaper change plus a feed. Then she goes down again for another 3-4 hours (10-11am). Like last night, she went down at 10h30, up at 4h15a for 10min feed, back down until 7h15a feed/diap, then back down again til 10h30am. I pump for relief at 4h15a and then do a full pump after 7h15a wake. We are SUPER aggressive about going down for naps/wake windows and feeding every 2-3 hours or more frequently during the day. I tank her up as much as possible at each feed during the day, and we do a double feed as part of night bed routine (feed, bath, massage, music, book, cuddle & feed again till drowsy, paci, place in bassinet to sleep). Imo the "quality" of my baby's night sleep directly correlates with how fed she is during the day and the "quality" of her naps. A crap nap day ime results in a bad sleep night. Also depends on baby size and appetite - my baby is VORACIOUS loves to eat and be at the boob and will suck me dry and scream for more even as milk spills out of her mouth (very opinionated and vocal about it lol). She is >95th%ile and was >10lbs at 1mo. I would guess she is close to 11lbs at this point.

EBF both kids. The first was a contact napper who slept only in arms for first 4-6 months. Didn’t sleep through the night until 10+ months. I was a zombie. After that though he became an amazing sleeper and we haven’t had any major issues, knock on wood. He’s now almost 4. Second has been sleeping through the night since 2 months, now 1 and having a couple of night wakeups most likely due to teething. Moral of the story - I don’t think sleep has anything to do with breastfeeding or not. I know it’s tempting to try to find patterns but just focus on doing what works for the baby and your family - they are all different! It’s a phase. You can do this!

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Baby sleep cycle is very short in the beginning and it lengthens overtime. Mine started with 2 to 3 hrs max. Slept through the night at 6 month old.

Forgot to mention thaf if you plan to breastfeed exclusively than you will need to wake up to either feed the baby or pump the milk before your breasts are too full

Baby has slept through the night since around 10 weeks. Have been EBF and we are currently 10 months.

I EBF and baby is 5.5wks old. It really depends on your baby's growth curve and size. My girl is big - 75th%ile at birth, >95th%ile weight and height at 1mo, over 10lbs at 1mo. She can go 5-6hours between feeds and regularly sleeps 4.5-6hrs for her first night sleep chunk starting around 4.5 weeks. Be warned that the first 4 weeks are gonna be rough with EBF or formula. Babies need to be fed every 2-3 hours or more frequently. Even during the day, I try to feed her every 2 hours depending on how long she naps because she is a hungry girl and she sleeps better at night if she gets tanked up during the day. Also, even if she sleeps 5-6 hours in 1 block and I feed at the 6hr mark, she usually doesnt empty me enough cause my milk builds up, so I do a quick middle of the night pump otherwise i wake up soaked and in pain.

Around 4 months we started doing a bottle of pumped milk before bed - otherwise they wanted to eat ALL through the night. Maybe that was just my kids? It was like they snacked before bed instead of a full feed.

You need your milk supply to regulate/ stabilize before you can sleep through the night. You must be regimented about it if you’re going to eatablish and maintain supply. ** First few weeks I nursed and/or pumped 12 times a day (every 2 hrs round the clock). After a few weeks brought that down to 8 (every 3 hrs round the clock). Some babies will sleep through the night from 5 weeks - once they’re >10lb. But not all. That means pumping all those nighttime feeds. For me that meant pumping at 9pm, midnight, 3am, and then nursing the 6am feed. After supply regulated (late for me, around 12 weeks) I started consolidating pumps, but still needed to be fully emptying myself. I would drop a pump but increase minutes pumping at other feeds so that my total pump time per day stayed constant. Bottom line: if you treat breastfeeding/ pumping like a clockwork schedule and never break it you can stay on that cycle of sleeping for 1.5hrs, feeding, going back to sleep and keep your sanity. However!!! Once you break it and start sleeping longer stretches it’s mentally near-impossible to go back.

Great point. I needed this regimen on both kiddos as have weaker supply. Until I got on this schedule with my first I was only producing around 12oz a day. It’s a miracle I was able to increase after that sloppy start, but it worked so I’ve stuck with it.

Around 10 pounds my baby started sleeping for at least one six-hour block almost every night. That was around six weeks for us. It was early (started around seven or 8 PM) so I was still “waking up in the middle of the night“ but getting that longer chunk of sleep by going to bed when she did make everything feel much easier. By three months she was frequently sleeping 1 7-8 hour stretch, and then 1 4-6 hour stretch, most nights. So I was really only waking up once in the middle of the night. That I found totally doable.

I exclusively breastfeed (my daughter is 11 months old and won’t take a bottle) and she started sleeping 8+ hours consistently at 6 weeks and gradually got longer with time! She has always been around the 50th percentile

My EBF baby only started sleeping through the night at 5.5 months! We introduced more solids and I fed her as much as possible during the day. It’s totally doable!

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