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Please watch this. In a nutshell, the subset of Asian immigrants (highly educated, driven individuals coming to the US for more opportunities) is vastly different than all blacks who were freed from oppression in the US and were forced to come here.
https://vm.tiktok.com/E7Qjjj/
And MY point is that there are plenty of immigrants who did NOT come with education and skills that places them ahead of the race. There are many immigrants that don’t even speak the language and immigrated with pennies but managed to make a comfortable life for themselves. I would imagine if a broke minority immigrants who can’t even speak English can carve out a little piece of the American dream for themselves, why can’t African Americans?
immigrants are racist toward black folks.
Asians, Indians, Middleastern we are all racist as fuck and love the white man as much as they have fucked up our countries through generations of colonialism and political propping to serve their interests
Bcg3 I am not gonna speak for other Asian cultures (also not knowing yours) but I can guarantee you that Indians are racist AF. Especially upper caste Hindus (I grew up as one and am all too familiar). And that racism weirdly carries over when we move here. I know a lot of the Silicon Valley Desi families who love trump purely because of his anti Islamic stance. It just doesn’t compute but it just is man 🤷🏿♂️
Racism against Asians exists. Maybe not to the same extent or to the same crazy level of violence but still there even if buried.
Japanese concentration camps in US
History Channel page: https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/japanese-american-relocation
Chinese slavery in US
JSTOR:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25118876?seq=2#metadata_info_tab_contents
Chinese sex slavery in SF during Gold Rush
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Shame-of-the-city-When-Chinese-sex-slaves-were-12477457.php
Chinese Exclusion Act and other "legal" measures passed targeted at Chinese for "racial purity" with immigration ban of Chinese finally lifted in 1945 to allow citizenship eligibility
https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/chinese-exclusion-act-1882
Model minority is a doubled edged term. Look at how VA was putting in different passing score thresholds by ethnicities with Asians requiring 82% to pass ranging down to 45% for blacks and 33% for those with disabilities. Instead, they should focus on closing historical gaps through addressing education issues and providing resources like tutors and such. Passing lower scores is a bandaid for that one moment. They'll still have that gap going into college or jobs. Also, one of the previous posts noted that Asians have the largest income gap of all groups. Those in the bottom 10% would definitely fail by these thresholds and may have the same lack of resources or educational foundation as those in the other ethnic groups.
https://www.npr.org/2012/11/12/163703499/firestorm-erupts-over-virginia-s-education-goals
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/the-long-history-of-racism-against-asian-americans-in-the-u-s
Guys you’re not allowed to question the narrative of the socialist mainstream media they’ll call you a racist if you do!! 😂
Rising Star
I would argue if you routinely find yourself getting called a racist it’s probably because you harbor some racist views.
It skews towards racism against the black community more than other minorities. Asians were encouraged to immigrate to America with the label as the “model minority” while black people were still viewed as “less than” with hundreds of years of oppression - it’s like telling one person they’re worse than the other, kicking them down for decades, expecting them to be successful. Over time, Asians were kind of held on a pedestal of minorities who can make it to prove the system works, further perpetuating the stereotypes, giving them more opportunities, etc.
It goes deeper than that, but hope this helps
Because of massive income inequality.
Asian American refers to individuals with backgrounds from India, China, Pakistan, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. As an Asian American I find it can be frustrating to use that label because it represents such a wide range of backgrounds and cultures. But it’s a start.
Asia is a continent that represents over 60% of the global population and the part of it represented in the American population represents some of that vast diversity. Within the US, large scale income inequality largely accounts for us apparently doing well when we use these racial groups to compare; however, there’s still lots of low income Asian American households out there. Check out the Pew report below.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/07/12/income-inequality-in-the-u-s-is-rising-most-rapidly-among-asians/
EY1- OP asked how Asian Americans are the highest income earners per capita in the US.
While the statistic is true, it doesn’t address, as you pointed out, the systemic challenges faced by the black community. Indeed, the statistic is often used to emphasize the model minority myth.
It’s an interesting stat, and the Pew report goes
into further detail about how Asian American households have grown to encompass both some of the richest households in the US as well as the poorest. If you take the time to read it, there’s an interesting discussion in there on how to address those systematic challenges.
Thanks all, I’ll check the vids out. I appreciate the civil discussion, want yo learn as much as I can to fight ignorance
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You asked a genuine question in a civil way. You will get civil responses :). We are all learning my friend
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Dinesh D’Souza brought up white privilege at Amherst a while ago...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSOMdF3xAdo
I know this may spark some sensitivity, but as an Asian-American, my answer is culture. In general, most Asians see being poor or reliant on others as shameful and some groups even go as far as to labeling it a sin. In Korea, for example, there is a popular saying that goes, "being poor is the crime." In China, almost all greetings include some association with increasing one's wealth. In India-- well, we all know the caste system. As such, this extends to concepts and stereotypes such as karma, the before-life, and so forth that many people still hold on to despite current religious affiliations. It has permeated over thousands of years into the core of our culture.
Some examples. The first questions most Asian parents ask when their children first start dating is 1) What does their family do? 2) What school did they graduate from? And 3) What is their current job? In more Academic focused families, 1 and 2 would be switched. So you may be thinking that this exists in America too. The Kennedys the Bush family and so forth. Well, in Asian cultures, your parents could be running a coin laundry down the road and yet, they will still have this mindset. The constant need to seek ways to improve family status or wealth is really in our DNA at all levels of society.
To go one step further. Let's say one high school kid smokes and drinks. He or she would be labeled a failure in life. Let's say the same kid is the valedictorian. Well, he or she must have endured so much stress to reach that status and smoking and drinking behavior is completely plausible. The ends justify the means and the whatever it takes mentality overrules all.
This is just a start, but hopefully, this sheds some light into what could possibly be impacting the per capita income you questioned...
There is no systemic racism in the US. Look up Shelby Steele... it will tell you what is wrong with African Americans. It starts with family... 75% of black kids are born out of wedlock, most of them end up so messed up that they can’t take advantage of opportunities that everyone has in this great country.
@EY4 you sound like a really fun person
I’ve read the comments and frankly I think no one has a clue on what it’s like to be a black American in this world and the US. The USA held on to a racist system taking many forms far longer then any other country, we’ve never corrected the wrongs of the past. It was in that system families were sold torn apart, beaten, murder, raped, created division/infighting between the slaved and basically anything an owner wanted to do what a human being know as property. Then the slavery system came under attack due to the civil war and instead rebuilding this country and trying to move forward there was a revolt by southerners hell bent receiving a fair payment for their losses and when they didn’t get it black people became a target for their anger through racial legislation, local police “enforcement“, Vigilante justice, and public fear mongering. Think of a system so deeply rooted in angry and directed on someone because of the color of their skin and the system has been so long in place you have allowed yourself to say that doesn’t happen anymore. The reality is it still happens and your racial bias allows you to think the following contributing to the status quo:
1. How is this different from racism against other cultures? There isn’t a right or wrong racism it’s wrong to even say or compare them really shows you’re not addressing root cause head on. You can’t fight racism with analysis/context if it is wrong you just call it out like everything else you wouldn’t stand for.
2. There’s tons of black people who are successful. I would say this falls into a few categories a) success athlete/entertainer - isn’t there something wrong with a community thinking this is their only way out to achieve a successful life. Image a little boy or girl thinking sports or becoming a singer is the only way out and we as a society will sit back agreeing that’s good enough. B) successful career professional - the reality is there are more of us as the world grows but using us as an example, access to the black perspective, or putting us in the position of “society savior” is just wrong. This is a joint effort and your help is needed. I’m happy to have the conversations and work with everyone but I recognize I can’t do it alone. I hate to say it but I’ve mentored many minority kids and they still rather be an athlete or entertainer because society gives them a voice or provides them a way to empower others.
We need a society that sees others ability to empower positive change for everyone regardless of what they look like.
At the end of the day we all need to step up and ask yourself what type of change can I make to fix a wrong for everyone. If you avoid doing so then you’ve just allowed that problem to turn into something else and it will one day end up on your door but it may be too late by then. 

Racism is not exclusively against black people. I am from SE Asia and I experienced racism from white folks in the South and by even here in NJ. I witnessed an Indian lady called a “cockroach” by a white man on the train. I shoved that guy out of the train and I wanted to whack him cold. However, I can act the way I acted not out of outrage but that I know that I can afford a lawyer as I am a lawyer myself. So while true that any colored person can experience racism, having the means allow you to respond appropriately and not from a position of disadvantage.
Chief
Primarily against Black Americans given the history of the United States.
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MC 1 I just shared the same clip haha
Great minds think alike 🤭
For most part, Asians weren’t enslaved. Many came from well to do families. Even for poor Asian families who migrated to US, there was some tradition of education if nothing else. So they were more likely to know their rights if they faced any discrimination. They were more likely to advance economically due to education. Many of these factors contributed to economic development of Asians even if they were minority. It’ll not be fair to look at African American culture and Asian cultures through the same lense.
Black Americans. It stems from the years of slavery and segregation. No other POC has been forced into this country and repeatedly denied access to equity. 40 acres and a mule was promised and never received. Other races have received some kind of reparations. Even when Black Americans “pulled themselves up by their bootstraps” to create equity through businesses and home ownership, their property was burned down (i.e Tulsa/ Black Wall Street) and they were denied homes in “better” neighborhoods through redlining.
What PWC2 said...
Rising Star
The racism against Asians is that they are basically considered foreigners who are not a threat (for now). There's still racism, but it's far less sinister than the kind of racism black Americans suffer.
The argument has changed from black people in general to black Americans. African immigrants to the US are the most educated ethnic group and tend to have higher incomes than white Americans. Most African Americans are actually middle class though so it's really specific to black people who live in ghettos and not to all black people.
@EY6 I understand your point, but also consider that with racism your education or financial well being doesn’t change the color of your skin.
It’s to anyone, including White people. But it only gets attention when something happens to black folks.
I come from a country where racism also exists, though mostly against Muslims. I am white, but I also get racist comments, because I am a foreigner in the country I currently live in. What has really astounded me (I also lived in the US for quite a while) is that in no place I have been to and any person I have met, has there been as strong disparity as there is between white and black Americans. E.g. : lived in Texas, there were actually nine purely black and two purely white middle schools, no interactions what so ever
Chief
Have you tried googling it yet?
I can google the definition of racism, doesn’t mean the context will come through. I’d rather ask and be directed toward meaningful studies smart professionals find helpful than sifting through pages of possibly helpful but probably unhelpful content