Is the concept of a republican who is fiscally conservative, and socially progressive, simply a myth?

Are there any gop leaders, federal or state, who openly fit this description? Is this position even possible in the modern gop?

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I’m fiscally conservative and socially progressive. I’m an independent who theoretically should lean Republican. Right now I can’t associate myself with a party that actively embraces stupidity and picks fights with Science.

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Same.

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Honestly I think these people come down to - they’re not the imbeciles that make up much of the GOP, but they really really really hate having to pay any of their money in taxes. Lots of doctors fit this bill

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They don’t want to pay into a just society. As long as their $ is untouched, they don’t care what issue you have.

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“Fiscally conservative and socially liberal” means “I’ll say what you want me to about easy issues like gay marriage but I won’t ever put my money to equity”

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Wow, what a dim view of equity. Jesus.

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I know lots of folks that consider themselves fiscal conservative but socially progressive, but "fiscal conservative" is such a undefined and wishy washy term that I think it's fairly meaningless.

Does it mean a balanced budget? Tax cuts? Social spending cuts? Military cuts? What about tax cuts without a balanced budget, increasing the national debt? What about increasing taxes to pay for the current spending?

It's just to say that I think labelling yourself a "fiscal conservative but a social progressive" is an rather awesome way to say you'll vote Republican except for Trump.

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I think that’s a fair and balanced take

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I used to think “no,” but now I believe it is a myth. In my experience, you scratch a fiscally conservative, socially liberal person and you will likely reveal a militaristic, somewhat ethnocentric conservative or a right-wing (economic) libertarian. Push them far enough on an issue related to those perspectives and the “mind your business / live and let live” approach that a true social liberal has will fade.

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#1 is not a conservative position so much as a policy position highlighting a preference for balancing the budget. Many conservatives are fine with deficit spending and some liberals would prefer that we pay for whatever we spend.

The sentiment is actually framed politically by you and unhelpfully so, IMO, because it has nothing to do with the left to right spectrum.

Economic libertarians care about the size of the government, taxes etc. Left and right wing statists love big government, and left libertarians care about the state’s control of personal liberties.

#2 overlays an underlying article of faith about the nature of government spending, much like some people believe that capitalism is inherently exploitative because that’s the kind we’ve had. There’s no proof that direct government spending is inherently inefficient. There’s a lot of proof that complex, large organizations in the public and private sectors struggle to do lots of things efficiently.

No, on both counts.

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I know quite a few wealthy lawyers who are classic country club republicans - they like low taxes, are center left on abortion, gun control, and LGBTQ issues, are fine with what they consider to be a reasonable safety net, and are pro science on vaccination and climate change. And they feel like their party has abandoned them.

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The republicans you mentioned that didn’t vote for trump is in the extreme minority among republicans.

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People think they are but can never answer why Rs spend so much. They like spending for themselves.

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My wallet, my choice

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Socially progressive doesn’t exist in the GOP because they believe that there’s a bearded white man in the sky and if the world ends because of man made climate change or a pandemic, “oh well, we had it coming”

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Put it this way: Two gay farmers should have the right to get married, grow tax-free weed, and defend said crops with fully automatic rifles.

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Spoken like a dyed in the wool libertarian.

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Charlie Baker, Larry Hogan, Phil Scott, Chris Sununu, Jaime Herrera-Buetler, Cathy McMorris-Rogers, Young Kim, Nancy Mace, Peter Meijer, John Katko, Cliff Bentz, Scott van Drew, Susan Collins. I just gave you like 15 off the top of my head

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OP what you’re describing is a libertarian. And they exist but they’re probably independents now due to the GQP.

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Yes

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In the old days, any Rockefeller/Javits/Goodell Republican would fill the bill . They no longer exist.

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We exist but there's no longer any room for us in the party. So we're disaffected Democrats or Independents. The current version of the GOP is garbage.

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There was just a 538 podcast on this. This group exists but is small (~6% of the country). But its views are very very over-represented in the media because its a popular stance among business elites

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No, as I said in a subthread. Plenty of us fit that mold. I am more or less ideologically equidistant from, say, Cori Bush and from MTG - neither of those people share my values and I could never vote for either.

However the practical reality is that today, people like Cori Bush are more or less fringe figures in the DNC, whereas MTG seems shockingly close to the center of Trump’s party. That is why I almost exclusively vote for Democrats today, though I’ve voted for Republicans and split tickets many times in the past.

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