Is the move to mid law worth it? I’m a rising 4th considering the move for better work life balance after having taken leave for depression. The firm I’m looking at has a 1950 req (although associates have told me they bill less) and my current firm is averaging 2100+. I’d be leaving a lot of money on the table, but not taking a pay cut at this stage of my career. I’m torn on whether I should make the leap or stick it out 1-2 more years. My ultimate goal is to go in house.

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You’ll find that midsized firms may work you just as much with lower pay and resources. But, I did find one midsized firm that really values WLB and I’m have been there for 2 years and love it. So, although hard you may be able to find a good one :)

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Unfortunately, we are not :(

i mean 4th years are commonly billing less than 1950 in nyc and still are in good standing? seems hard to believe. why not just figure out a way to bill between 1950-2100 yourself and not leave 'a lot' of money on the table. youre better off going in house than midlaw in many circumstances tbh if in a corp group. If Lit, id just try to lateral to another BigLaw firm with more chill maybe a below market one. Then again, not sure if your midlaw definition is lower v100 or something entirely different.

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AA1, do you mind elaborating on what the pros are that make you stay?

I get it, depression etc makes the hours difficult and concentrating for hours difficult. I think your focus here should be on your mental health. Money will always be there. Hope for the best 🤞

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Sorry if this is tough advice but, if you’re less than 3 years in and have already taken depression leave, you most likely need to down shift. That’s the boat I’m in. I would downsize.

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Agreed, but trying to gauge what downsizing actually looks like. I don’t want to leave only to find I’m in the same boat with less resources.

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Agreed on the advice that most midsize firms in NYC expect you to work similar hours to big law with less pay and less resources.

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