Is up or out really a thing nowadays? Most people I know who not got promoted just left on their own for better opportunities elsewhere, but nobody got fired. Which companies have an up or out mentality?

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Out was never meant to mean fire. Out meant pushing the individual out by low pay raises, bonuses or not giving promo opportunities so they get the hint and leave on their own accord. So nothing has really changed from that perspective as most up or out type firms still employ those tactics. If the average range for promo is 2-3 years and an individual keeps getting excuses after 4 years, they should take the hint, which is basically what the up or out model ensures.

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No, it’s not different. Maybe I wasn’t clear - you are literally fired. They don’t come to your desk and make you pack up with security there, but your employment is terminated involuntarily. You generally get 3-6 months of “search time” where you’re still on the payroll and not working, ostensibly to look for another job, but some people just enjoy the paid vacation

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You’re told the writing is on the wall / figure it out yourself. Most of the time, you don’t actually get fired.

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Definitely a thing at Bain, and I’m sure McK and BCG.

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BCG definitely is up or out

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Come to Alix and chill

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It’s not that chill but relative to other firms it can be less internal pressure.

I think we have been more lenient about it recently — though there is still the expectation that you should be ready for the next level within ~ 2 years

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