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I’ve seen a growing number of India born immigrants rising in corporate America esp in tech. I.e. CEO of Microsoft and Alphabet and Deloitte. Many tech consultants here are also Indians. Cont.

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Lol@rise. There is alot of stereotype that's at play here too. Indians = software/IT. Chinese = math/statistics. Indians pull up other Indians because their comfort zone revolves around other Indians often. Chinese do the same. This is not a rule, but it happens more than one would acknowledge and would like to believe. Second, alot of folks don't want to code and struggle through what is essentially a back office job. But tech is the future, so it's undeniably a marketable skill, regardless of the work environment. Therefore, combine the image of Indians with a general lack of desire of non-indians in taking a tech oriented role en masse, and you find the "rise" you so speak of. The general work ethic of Indians, due to cultural reasons, is also working to their advantage i.e. they are more willing to sacrifice their work life balance and other things beyond work to "get ahead". Often, tech roles require extensive working hours because e.g. the code won't work, won't get deployed, servers don't support the execution, etc. Immigrants will stay up till 3:00 am to deploy, test and re-code because 1. Their promotion hinges on them working "hard", 2. their visa depends on them proving their worth etc. 3. They must maintain the "dependable" work ethic, in order to rank up. Plenty of first hand examples.

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Hit the nail on the head!

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I think the business culture in the US emphasizes soft skills/relationship mgmt more than that of other countries. I frequently see a lot of south/east asians struggle on this front, making it more challenging to move up.

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Agreed

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OP If I tell you about my visa struggles you will not believe the amount of mental pressure we go through everyday. Gotta hustle to survive. I will leave at that.

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Yes I do understand the difficulties as I work with many of Indian folks in the past years and I also understand the current climate since Trump took office does not make it easier.

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American here - I don’t think the US education system places enough emphasis on STEM.

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Definitely too much "every degree is equal. Go get that psych / marketing degree" -- college is now less than worthless it's a trap that sells to the Young this fantasy that worthless & easy lectures are a good use of their time and will make them better well rounded and capable. I'm generalizing ofc. There would be some analytical and critical thinking in liberal arts sometimes, but it's much rarer and harder to find and has more to do with an individual professor than the Program or University.

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I’ve witness this and have worked with many companies. What I’ve seen is that there seems to be a trend with predominantly Indian IT, business application teams.. as Indians likes to recruit Indians. I love Indian people and their culture, but I feel like there should be some matrix enforced for diversity in the recruiting team structure... and this applies to all races.

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All great points - thanks again for sharing folks, happy Sunday 😊

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I believe it’s a numbers game, India is a large country in terms of population and they have been emigrating in large numbers in the last 30years.

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This is definitely a big factor

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I’ve been wondering about this phenomenon recently and it’s interesting to see all the different perspectives. Indians don’t just dominate in the US but also in the UK, and in other non-traditional STEM fields. We’re also seeing more Indians at top positions in the social science field, economics, and noticeably in international development organizations (the new chief economist at the IMF is and Indian woman, and the latest recipient of the Nobel prize in economics is an Indian man!). I think a unique combination of so many of the factors that have been mentioned contributes to this - population size, colonized by the British, cultural upbringing, education bias, etc. I find the whole thing fascinating

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Interesting, thanks for sharing mate

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A good number of Indian teens end up in STEM programs, out of which a good number of bright ones pursue higher studies in the US, so as @Newco 1 mentioned: there is already a high ranker exec in the making. Also, there is a HUGE population of struggling workers back in India who are not even in the race here in the US, so we in US do not see that side. Finally, to keep up with competition and visa norms, immigrants feel they really need to keep proving themselves.

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I’ve also seen that a higher number of Chinese students tend to go back home to China after graduation compared to Indians who are more likely to find opportunities here in the US and stay back

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I think towards tech industry there is some truth to this. Many of the immigrants who make it here from India have the best schools pedigree and an engineering degree. Add a top MBA and you are a CEO in the make. I would imagine the numbers are lower in non tech industries.

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India was bottled up as a culture by colonialists and prior invading classes for a very long time .. it’s just unleashed and our hunger for knowledge and growth , our global mindset , democratic values , and the ability to respect other cultures and ethnicities and mingle without losing our identity makes us successful in the USA where such talent can thrive

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Lol.

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Numbers game pure and simple. We’re not better/different than anybody else

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Indian 🐠, could you guys provide more insight on the factors that you believe contribute to this trend and success here? Because I do understand how difficult it is to come to the US to work. Is this bc of education system in India or something else?

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Agree with M2, language advantage (English) also plays a huge role when comparing Indians to the Chinese international students or Chinese immigrant workers with all other specs being equal

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