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Just curious, what’s the norm salary for a insurance defense attorney? Passed the bar in 2019, and salary at current firm is 75K for 1850/year… which I feel is a little low. I’m coming up on a year with this firm, and I’m really happy with the place— but would obviously like to make more money given that I’m getting married.

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All depends on the market but for what it’s worth, I left an ID firm in the Pittsburgh PA area in 2019 as a 6th year making $110k. Your salary might be a bit low but not by much and 1850 at an ID firm is practically unheard of. I was at 2000 and several of the other ID firms in the area are between 2100-2300. I think the lower billable requirement is probably at least partially the reason for the lower salary because the firm has less money coming in the door.

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I was at Wilson Elser 10 years ago when I was 4 years out in nyc making 100k and that was considered above where I should be. I came from government and asked for it and got it

It does sound low but it depends on your location. I hear Universal in house starting salary is 125k. Have you considered switching sides and going Plaintiff? Typically higher salary, no billable requirements, lots of opportunities for bonuses.

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The no billable requirement is a very very strong pull lol

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You should try to leave insurance defense as soon as possible or you will be stuck in it. Which means you will be stuck getting paid 1/3 the salary of firms that do private defense and make you bill the same or Sometimes lower amounts.

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At what point is a young attorney typically considered “stuck” in a practice area…? 3 years…? 5 years…?

Sounds pretty typical for insurance defense but transition to commercial lit and you can almost double that. At least in my market in NE Florida.

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ID associate in NE florida. Know any commercial lot that’s hiring?

I graduated in 2018. Originally started at $75k for 2k billables. Now I make $100k and the firm just dropped billables to 1850

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Florida. Graduated in 2018 and initially made $45k (prior to finding out if I’d passed the bar and I took whatever I could get due to low student loans). As a third year at that same firm (which was very small) I was making $85k plus around a $7,500 bonus. 1800 billable requirement the entire time I was there. I left though because I found ID very unfulfilling. At least the kind I was doing.

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This was my track too in Miami - but in 2009 (non PD) 😬

Billable is 2000 with 95k salary as a 2nd year, Charleston SC. My question is what’s the typical ceiling for insurance defense? What would I expect to make as a partner, and what are the typical benefits like equity etc.

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@Associate11 - what was your niche practice?

1850 hours is really LOW!!!

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Thats pretty typical for a starting salary, even in NY. My billable requirement is 2100, I am an 8th year associate in insurance defensa and make 150 (finally) plus bonus. The lower billable requirement is so nice!

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Whoa…Ive been complaining about 1900 being high even tho ive heard its “standard” for ID in CA. 2100 is very high hours!

I’m in NYC, billable is 1800, and make 130k

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2020 grad, midwest, 1850 and 65K. I agree with A5 — I’m very curious what the ceiling is

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Of course it’s going to vary by firm (bylaws and payment structure etc.) but at most ID firms in my area it’s an “eat what you kill” compensation model for partners. There’s a guaranteed base salary, probably around 80-100, no billable requirement for partners, and incentives to use associates and do more cases. The beautiful part of it is control over your life. If you want to make 400 by busting ass and taking lots of matters, you can. If you want to work 3-4 days a week and make 120, you can. My personal goal is to make partner and work as little as possible, preferably on matters I’m interested in. I don’t need more than 100 to live comfortably.

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Based on my experience in insurance defense that sounds right

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.....I would take a pay cut to be at 1850. I bill 2100. 250 is like 5 plus weeks of billing. I could stop working in mid November.

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2020 grad, labor and employment group at an insurance defense firm, base salary is $85k with $5k bonus for 2000 hours.

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90k after bonus for 2k hours is steep. I’m on about the same for 200 less hours, SW market too. You deserve a raise!

Depends on your state

7-year associate handling insurance defense/coverage in FL (not Miami). Was plaintiff's counsel for many years. $130k total compensation (including small bonus). 2000-hour annual target.

No wonder defense attorneys hate their lives

i get paid 25k more to bill 1950 a year. wanna trade? but yeah i think that’s pretty normal

I first started out in an insurance defense firm making $70K 2160 billable and left to work inhouse at an insurance company making $110K no billable. I left ID after 2 years because I didn’t want to get stuck.

Thanks A2! You too!

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1800 billables. Salary is $138k in SoCal, $11k bonus last year. I’ve been practicing 10 years, but only doing ID for 6.

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