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Kind of aggravated with the example male leadership is setting right now with regard to parenting at CV. At least 5 men in leadership have had new babies in the last month and it seems like some have taken no time off or only the bare minimum. We have 12 weeks and should be encouraged to use it! If leadership isn’t taking advantage of their own policy, what does that say to the rest of the staff? In my perspective, this is likely further contributing to the gender disparity in CV leadership

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I was talking about this with my SO yesterday - it makes it harder to imagine having a baby while at CV

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It is possible. The one perspective I’ll add is that leadership comp structures are different - not sure how or if that impacts anything. There are several people who have kids and have had them while at CV and not being in a leadership position. There is a family sustainability group. If it’s something you’re considering and would like to talk to those at CV with kids, it could help to reach out. Don’t let a bad example stand in your way if kids is what you want. It can work and you can still be successful. It might shift some timelines, but on balance, worth it.

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It makes me shudder to think about the families of the male (and sometimes female) leadership at ClearView who are always online and working. One particular P told me they barely sleep and bragged about barely ever taking vacation over the past few years; the lack of time they have with their children and SOs must be exhausting for anyone, but if it isn’t, then what kind of sociopaths are they?

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Just as an alternative to consider, their spouses may be taking leave now and they will plan to take leave later - that’s how my wife and I did it.

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My wife gets really crappy maternity leave from work. As a result, our plan if/when we have a kid is to do what CV4 did - let her take off the few days she gets first, then I'll use my leave after to maximize total time that either of us is home with a baby

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Appreciate the frustration at this, but also want to note that a number of male and female consultants and managers have taken full parental leave over the last few years. (In fact, I can only think of one or two non-leadership who have had babies and haven’t taken full leave)

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Will be interesting to see how it plays out for the women extended leadership with new babies… for jr staff, male and female, it has appeared to slow career progression, but for male leadership there doesn’t seem to have been the same timeline delay

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I was also thinking about this just the other day. I'm honestly a bit conflicted. 100000% agree about the point on gender disparity. It's just one of many gaps in the system that inherently set women back and force them to make a sacrifice (career vs health/family) in a way that no man ever has to. But I also selfishly am grateful that it also means these leadership are still present and willing to help out on my projects vs just abandoning us midway through. No idea what the right answer here is...

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Great points! I would also add that there are other alternatives to abandoning the team with parental leave. We have multiple leadership on a project for a reason. They can arrange for coverage to make sure teams are supported and take the time to be with their new kid.

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