Leaving firm — maintain firm 401k, or roll it into IRA? Not seeing much benefit to rolling it over. Any thoughts?

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Rolled mine over to Schwab IRA Rollover account each time after exiting three different firms

Many more choices at Schwab and only one account to track and manage instead of 3 at different ex-employers

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How do you handle backdoor conversions? Let's say as a high earner you contribute $6k to an IRA this year and convert to Roth. You don't just get taxed on just the $6k. The pro rata formula means all money in an traditional IRA factors in to the taxable amount, right? Maybe I'm not understanding the implications correctly?

Caution: if you are above Roth IRA income limits and plan to do annual backdoor nondeductible Trad IRA contributions and convert to Roth IRA, then you want to keep your Trad IRA balance at zero instead of rolling over Trad 401k funds to the Trad IRA. Otherwise you will get impacted by the prorata tax rule on Trad IRA to Roth IRA conversions. However, you can rollover Roth 401k funds to Roth IRA funds with no issues for the backdoor.

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If you’re going to b4 you might have to roll it over

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Admin fees in 401k accounts are brutal (relatively) and will eat away at your return over time. There are little or no fees at reputable admins like Vanguard and Schwab. Throw in the simplicity of one account and the much wider range of options and I think it’s foolish to leave it in the 401k.

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@A2, lower than $0? Even if you have low or no admin fees, which is awesome don’t get me wrong, do you also have the same breadth of investment options?

More choices and potentially lower fees with an IRA?

I rolled over part of mine into my Roth when I left

I don’t wanna go into super detail but you guys are obviously employed so let’s say you make 100k and take the Roth out 20k. You’re taxed on that 120k. Let’s say you retire or even retire early and do a backdoor Roth. You won’t be (hopefully) spending more than 100k. Your taxes will be lower because you’re in a lower bucket because your income would be whatever you took out. That and the TVM makes your returns so much more than withdrawing some now when you move firms and put it into a Roth.

I left mine - the IRA fees will be higher than Accenture’s plus Accenture has all the vanguard funds I would ever want

Roll over to personal IRAs (Roth or traditional). At next firm, roll the traditional back to 401k so you can keep traditional IRA balance = 0, and conduct backdoor Roth IRA. I am assuming you will be at place where you make too much to contribute directly at some point in your career.

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