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Legit confused about the "wait and see/ I'm low risk" vaccine crowd. I'm low risk too but I got vaccinated for me as well as to contribute to the safety of others by stopping the spread. How do I discuss this with others without literally saying I think it's selfish to wait it out? If we all did this, how many more would die?

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Personally, I think the realistic answer is that it is a responsible choice to vaccinate for the benefit of the greater good at the expense of potential side effects that have not yet been determined. I understand people’s hang ups about it and while I didn’t hesitate to get my vaccinations, I would have never signed my kids up for clinical trials, and I probably won’t put my kids first in line when vaccines are approved for children. If you are interested in my personal experience with the Moderna vaccine, I have been experiencing Parosmia (distortion of my sense of smell) which started shortly after my first vaccine. While most people are experiencing this side effect after having Covid, I am not the only one experiencing this immediately following vaccination. The fact that it’s a neurological side effect really scares me, and gives me pause about vaccinating my kids. This comment was in no way intended to be argumentative, but to offer a bit of perspective about why it is not out of the question to approach decisions about your own health and public health with careful consideration.

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You probably got COVID

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But you aren’t contributing to the safety of others. You’re just contributing to the safety of yourself, which is fine obviously. But don’t fool yourself into some moral high ground.

It’s simple: the vaccine is widely available to literally anyone over 12 who wants it. Therefore you getting the shot or not getting the shot doesn’t make a lick of difference for anyone else who got the shot already.

Another way to put it is I don’t have the vaccine. I won’t get the vaccine because I don’t care to put an experimental drug into my body. That’s what it is. I’m not saying it doesn’t work, I’m saying it hasn’t been put through the same studies any other vaccines have so I’ll pass. That’s simply a fact. Another fact, according to the CDC, more people in my age group (18-29) have died of pneumonia than COVID since they started tracking it, so yeah I’m low risk. I am only potentially a risk to other unvaccinated people, who have also made their own calculus and decided they’ll risk getting it rather than the drug. If the vaccine works, a vaccinated person doesn’t need to worry about me either way. If I can give COVID to a vaccinated person, then the vaccine really isn’t worth getting anyway lol.

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You are putting people with autoimmune diseases at risk. The vaccine is not as effective for them and COVID can be devastating for them. Not everyone with an autoimmune disease wants to disclose it every time they go out. The more people unvaccinated the higher their risk. I didn’t get a vaccine just for myself, I got it for the people I love that are at risk.

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I don't know if there are long term side effects from this thing and neither do the public health people.
An area of concern for me is that it appears as if the spike proteins themselves are biologically active and can cause illness, and the vaccines literally make your own body produce the spikes. SARS-COV-2 might be worse but my own risk assessment for myself (38M moderate health) is that I don't want to take the vaccines.
I've gone through all the arguments in my own head and with friends and I'm comfortable, morally and statistically, with my reasoning here.

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Or 90% isn’t 100% and you’re not helping. But crawl up on that cross if you like.

We don’t live in a communist country. People can and should make their own decisions based on their own personal situation.

My wife is not vaccinating because her OB said not to if we plan to have children soon.

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M1 — collectivism got us through WWII. If some of these freeloading Antiva assholes were alive in the 1940s, we’d all be speaking German or Japanese now. I can see it now: “No! I won’t comply with the blackout! Because my FREEDUMB.”

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I'll never understand why educated people don't understand the concept of herd immunity. I guess that's what happens when you consider Alex jones and Tucker carlson as news 😔

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Correlation is not causation....

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You probably shouldn't because you sound guided by superstition not science.

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Thomson Reuters 1 this is false. Please do your homework. The vaccine has shown varying levels of efficacy against all known variants. And the vaccine cannot cause a COVID mutation because the vaccine does not give you COVID!

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The primary reason you want everyone to get vaccinated (and not limit it to high risk populations) as soon as possible is to try and get the virus to burn itself out.

Let's say we vaccinate 100% of the elderly and at-risk population. Okay, great! They are reasonably safe from COVID19 Classic.

However, if we don't vaccinate enough of the population to reach herd immunity, then it's a question of when, not if, those vaccines are rendered ineffective. Each time a "low risk" person becomes infected, it's another opportunity for another viable Coronovirus mutation.

B177, B1351, B1427, B1429... the list of effective variants will go on and on if a sizeable portion of the population remain viable hosts.

Eventually, a mutant variant that eludes the current crop of vaccines will develop and your at-risk population is under the gun again.

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I think we will know pretty quickly if the vaccine impacts fertility. Only takes a few weeks to test out that theory.

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The way I see it is we don’t know the long term effects of covid or of the vaccine, so i’ll take my chances with the vaccine that will at least protect me in the short term

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This is the argument I make to folks as well, adding the facts that 30% of covid cases show long term neurological symptoms + long term scarring in the lungs.

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Just do you.

Everything does not need to be a crusade, discussion, and/or debate.

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CD1: Why is it so hard to simply maintain social distancing? Stay away from me = Problem solved.

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It’s actually terrifying that in this highly educated sample of the population we are still discussing this topic, and some of the views expressed have no scientific or even logical basis (I am not even going to comment on the pure selfishness of some arguments). Humanity has no future...

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I respect your viewpoint

Your vaccinated so you can’t get or spread it. Don’t worry about the others; you’ve done your part.

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Some of cause of the "wait it out" crowd could truly be concern over risk, but I think a lot of it is our government's poor messaging of the vaccines. As our president stated, "get vaccinated so you can do more things, more safely' without specifying what "things" he is referring to.

I got vaccinated, so this is not coming from a place of partisanship or vaccine denial. However, no one can tell me my life has improved since I got the vaccine. Only recently did the CDC (absurdly) revise it's guidelines on outdoor masking (a year late, based on the science). We're still told to wear masks nearly everywhere, large gatherings (ie, concerts, sporting events) are still largely banned, even the president's address to congress was absurd (everyone vaccinated, tested, but still wearing masks and distanced). You can say 'being safe from covid should be incentive enough' but that argument clearly isn't persuading people. Unfortunately, I'm not optimistic this will widely change.

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Stopping the spread is realistic, as long as the populace is not brain dead/selfishm Alas, this is the United States...

Everyone should just make their own decisions and not talk about it. Didn’t your mommas teach you if you can’t say anything nice then don’t say anything at all.

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Be the change you want to see.

Hi there my wife works for a fairly large pharmaceutical company and makes ingredients that go into the vaccines. Most vaccines have a toxicology report and go through 7 years of clinical trials before being released to the public. These vaccines have neither. Also I threw parties and traveled around the United States during the pandemic and no one in my family died. The “experts” and the cdc contradict themselves on a daily basis. The government that is pushing this has also lied to the public about a lot of other things. That’s why.

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It depends on if they’re still following quarantine or not. I am totally okay with friends who are still waiting because it’s easy for them to continue to quarantine and they’d feel more comfortable with more data. I am not okay with people who go out like covid never happened and won’t get the vaccine.

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I haven’t been vaccinated. I live by myself, in a different state from my family. The only time I interact with another person is at a grocery store and I’m wearing a mask (so are they). For these reasons I don’t feel a need to be vaccinated. Before I see my parents the next time or before I go back to an office, I’ll get the vaccine but none of those things is happening any time soon so no need for me to get it yet. People shouldn’t assume that unvaccinated people are all gallivanting around bars and restaurants and gyms trying to get everyone sick.

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Totally agree with your perspective. However what specifically triggered this post was someone close to me who is seeing family, going to restaurants, going to the office, etc

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The vaccine doesn’t prevent you from getting covid. It prevents bad symptoms that requires you to be hospitalized. Atleast that is what they say in response to those who get vaccinated and then get covid.

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M4 when you read words, so you understand what those words mean?

I’m happily vaccinated. But I think those who are waiting are concerned about taking a vaccine with only emergency approval, versus full approval, especially given that using mRNA as a delivery method is somewhat novel. There is also a healthy skepticism regarding actions “suggested” (almost dictated?) by the government. Again, I chose vaccination, but at a time when our government is expanding and, as some would argue, is seeking to almost usurp roles of parents and families in education and elsewhere, some just don’t trust the recommendations that come from our elected officials. Lastly COVID, its treatment, its impact, its handling has been unbelievably politicized.

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What’s wrong with waiting until the vaccine has at least as much time to be looked at as a regular vaccine?
Think about how much time, money and resources are spent on HIV and Cancer and how much we still don’t know about them.
I’m not getting the vaccine yet. I’m also not going out into the world and spreading anything around. I’m quarantined in my home with my baby who cannot be vaccinated. How is this irresponsible?
Even if you get the vaccination you could still get Covid or have a bad reaction or in rare cases, die.
If I get vaccinated and have a bad reaction, requiring even only a few days of recovery, who is going to take care of my baby?
I feel my family is safer at home without the vaccination until we know more.
I’m not anti-vax. My baby is up to date on all his shots, but none of those were rushed through an approval process.
We don’t know the long term effects of Covid and we don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine. I’d like to avoid getting either until we know more.
Personally, I don’t think this makes me a bad person or crazy. I think it makes me cautious.

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How many threads about the vaccine are we going to have on here that discusses this same topic? I really don’t think anything is being accomplished.

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Sure, because discussing Rolexes and handbags is so much more important right now.

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