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Mid/Sr. Creative here. Thinking of moving from a big place (creativity is not king) to a small branding/design shop as the only CW. Also taking a 5K pay cut, but I think I'd be happier. Thoughts?

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I feel like 5k is pretty minor in the end but I also second Director1 on why can't they just match it? Or add an extra week of PTO or something. Overall though, if you think you'll be happier, go for it!

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it feels like it's the principle of the matter ? and if they can't cough up 5K....what other issues are there...

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5k pay cut ? really ? i realize that's like 200 a paycheck (less after taxes) but your new agency wouldn't even match your current salary ?

I'm not looking for a raise blah blah blah but I'd like you to match my current salary....

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Good point. On both ends.

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Like the idea of negotiating additional week of PTO and definitely - go with HAPPY!!

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Do you think you'll do better work and be happier? If so, I'd go with the new job. -$5k is really not the end of the world, as long as your career and well-being would benefit. If they won't budge, it wouldn't hurt to try to talk them into a raise at 6 months.

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Spent time at a shop like that -- copy is an afterthought and it WILL get changed with no regard for quality or concept just to give the designer more room to play. They will kick off the job with "creative" (design team) long before copy.

Not saying this to scare you off. Just learn to work their system and ensure the type of work you're happy with.

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I agree with SC1. If you're conceptual, a design / branding agency isn't for you. The pieces you make may look cool, but who will care?

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If you're making a pretty good salary right now, a $5k salary cut def seems worth it; few smaller shops where creative reigns can match a big agency salary. Maybe get some more perks thrown in there like extra PTO

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Depends on the client work to creative ratio. I work at an understaffed small shop and the creatives are miserable (if not more) than big shops.

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Thanks, everyone!

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