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Most top consulting firms treat their people well when leaving, and consider alumni as an asset. PwC seems to treat their outgoing staff very differently. This topic ever been discussed by leadership?

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Yes, it was decided long ago by Samuel price himself to look down on all who leave and to throw rocks and cast dispersions on any and all who leave the fold

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I cannot agree more with this post! Advisory HR treats people terrible. There is such a great lack of professional respect and it seems the partners hide behind the HR function as if they have no say.

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Needless to say, PwC alumni network is big and them not looking back at their time at PwC has a negative impact on ability to sell work and expand goodwill. They don't work as our brand ambassadors because you cheated them out of a bonus they earned or something similarly petty/stupid. This is VERY myopic.

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This discussion, if it wasn't clear, was regarding people leaving voluntarily and not non-performing people who were let go.

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Well, a couple of things (and I promise I’m not being snarky) First, can you post the statistics you are referring to? I’d be interested to see where we stack up compared to the other big 4. Second, I don’t have statistics, just my personal experience. I’ve been here for 7 years, and have worked in 4 different practices. In my experience, when people leave for other companies, and have been a good fit for the firm, the split is amicable. Sure, people are disappointed to see you leave; you are valuable and it will be a PITA to replace you. In my experience, with one exception, the people who leave all pissed off weren’t a good fit to start with, and the feeling is mutual. A 7-year manager who would never be successful as a director talking trash about the firm when they left for a competitor. An industry hire who wasn’t cut out for consulting being excited to go back into industry so they could torpedo our contract? Bye Felicia. Why would PwC bend over backwards to make you feel good when you are leaving with your middle finger flying? They know you aren’t going to sing the praises of the firm, so why waste time tying to fluff you? I do have one example of where a great person left and leadership didn’t take it well. It was childish of the partner to act the way he did, and it was unfortunate. But with that one exception, every one of my colleagues where were “good” people, are still connected. And those who weren’t a good fit, aren’t connected. And I’m ok with that

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While not all groups are the same, unfortunately, the company culture dictates what happens in majority of cases. I know people who were good team members, loved their work at PwC and were well liked but poorly treated the moment they turned in their notice. Policy also is part of it. PwC Europe does a much better job as they have policies outlined that ensure good experience (e.g. pro-rated bonus etc). So no, good sir, it's not just about the fit. I find it hard to believe that PwC statistically has a much higher number of people with bad fit than other firms and that causes this disparity.

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It’s sad to hear. Alumni is an asset. We for some reason set a high bar and not afraid to push out people. Most people who leave involuntarily will have bad experience.

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Just realized this was on the partner AMA. Sorry for adding noise.

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Like everything else that is discussed on this app regarding comparisons between firms: this varies greatly between practices. I think the groups I’ve worked with have done a good job parting on good terms. In my experience, the people who feel sour when they leave weren’t a good fit to start with.

What about females who feel they have to leave bc the firm is not supportive of them having travel balance with children? Or people who leave because they have medical issues that limit travel and all the ask for is flexibility but have been high achievers for 7+ years? Guys life changes, but Pwc should not say they are one thing but act like they are another.

There is no reason to treat people leaving on their own poorly. I haven’t seen that. Most people who doing the exit are just doing their job.

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