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The louder they talk the quieter you need to be. You will hopefully hace a few students who are actually trying to listen and learn. If you continue to speak softly while teaching, and others are talking, ignore them. Quietly speak to those who are listening. Teach to them. After a few days of this, more should be listening. When you continue to speak quietly-just above a whisper- enough students should be listening that fewer should be talking. Continue to teach material. When you quiz students, and those who haven't been listening to poorly, it may be a lesson to them. If their parents complain, that is a perfect opportunity to share that their perfect little angel isn't quite so perfect in your room. I would also share that xyz number of students got a 90 or above on this quiz, which also reinforces the fact that if their little angel had been listening he/she could also have gotten this good grade. It takes patience, but the quieter you are, and the longer you stay quiet, the quieter you students should become.
A talking stick? Easy to make out of a paper towel roll, popcorn kernels, markers and streamers. Brighter the better. You have to be really rough to introduce. NO ONE talks without the stick. That may be all you do one day.
I also, for my large class, got a wireless doorbell. Nice and loud, lots of different rings to choose from so they don’t start tuning it out.
Talking stick can be whatever you want. I’ve never had to use at school, stole the idea from a lifetime of scouting. Even the idea of hand raising and not talking over you isn’t so much about the method or the consequence, it’s about absolute, unwavering commitment to it. Literally stop talking EVERY time. Say “I can’t hear you if you don’t raise your hand/have stick in hand.”
Time to get the principal in there and have some type of classroom management in place not saying you don’t but with some kind of consequences of though we’re not allowed to use that term there’s a thing called academic noise and then there’s just called plane disrespect
The principal has more things to deal with. This is a classroom culture thing. They obviously don't have respect for each other. By bringing the principal in... You are giving all of your power over to the principal. You are basically saying ” I have no control”
try not to talk over them. if they talk, you wait. it takes a lot of practice and training. i'm assuming you've changed seating....
It’s sheer task avoidance! They’re running down the instructional clock being slick😡. Time to get parents in there or as I tell my students “Oh I’ll get my instructional time back after school....believe that!” You can also try the Yacker Tracker. When the talking gets loud, so does the alarming high pitch decibels that come from the machine.
I wouldn't bring parents in. That shows you don't have control. Parents are looking for you to control the game.
Re-teach classroom expectations and practice them for a few weeks. Catch those students following your expectations and reward them.
Just an idea - You could try setting a timer on the board for 2-3 minutes and tell students at the beginning of the class that this is their “talk time” so they can get it out of their system. Kids talk - they love to talk - and having that visual might help them to regulate themselves. Let them know that when the timer ends/goes off, it’s time to focus on learning. If they can’t get their “Chatty Cathy” out during this time, they’ll have to remain silent and lose that privilege of talk time in the morning.
(I teach ECSE, so this may not work as I typically encourage all of my students to talk, but maybe it’ll work for gen ed)
I think there has to be a variety of rewards, consequences, for individual and group, that you change every once in awhile. Also your grade level makes a huge difference.
I teach a tough group of first graders. They have an individual chart where they clip up and clip down. Rewards are earning points for rewards. Lunch Buddy- to get to sit on the lawn with a buddy at lunch, Desk Buddy- bring (or borrow) a stuffed animal for the day, Teacher Tools- borrow smelly markers and fun scissors. VIP Seating- sit at a special table. They LOVE this. If they are on the bottom they have to sit out at recess. I have yard duty support on this one.
They have also had a class goal where they fill the top of a ten frame with blue dots for good class behavior. If they get compliments from other teachers or the principal it’s Two magnets! Red magnets are for poor behavior. If the blue was filled first they got to dance for one minute. If the red was filled first they had to put their heads down on their desk and be silent for one minute of recess. I recently moved to sitting in clusters and the reward is now per group and the top group earns stars for the individual award. We changed because we needed to change it up!
We also do many attention getting calls and practice them for 100% freezing and looking at me. I also have them all put down their heads when needed. It’s like a silent reset. I try to never talk over them. I tell them that they came to school to grow their brain and if they aren’t using their eyes and ears to soak it all in and learn then I will be very sad because they all matter to me!
You don't reward a scholar for meeting your expectations. I just do a call and response. If it continues I say 1 minute but also follow through with it. I do students vs teacher. Also, I add many turns and talks throughout my lesson to keep my scholars talking. They don't want to always hear our voices.
I use P.A.T. (preferred activity time for the end of the week) points in my class. A new thing I have been doing is I will start a timer at the beginning of a lesson, and for every 5 minutes that pass without anyone talking, I'll give them a point. Seems to motivate them at least, even if they aren't successful every time.
OP- nothing works. It’s frustrating and puts me in a bad mood. Anything I could try? I’ve had most of these kids for 2 consecutive years and I believe they no longer care about pleasing the teacher.
Look into Conscious Teaching. They have a lot of class management strategies.
Imagine what they’re like when they leave your classroom and come to those of us that they only see once every six school days or so. I am looking for solutions that involve doing something really fun and special for the ones that listen that I can never actually even get to talk to you because I’m so busy dealing with the ones that talk constantly. Or worse.
Look into PAX. I use a harmonica and we have a symbol for them when I blow it. Kids earn “Grannies Wacky Prizes” which are quick games like make animal noises for 10 seconds.
Call/Email parents.
Give low grades. Participation should be a daily grade.
Have a class meeting.
We have a reflection room duty each week. Kids getting a third warning must spend lunch with a teacher and email parent a letter explaining what they did.
OP-thanks for all the great ideas. I’ll be trying some next week!
I think all people like to be acknowledged for doing an amazing job. If that is getting a dot, a tally or a clip up and then getting to eat on the grass with a buddy, or dancing, it keeps everyone smiling and learning.
I also don’t ever want my kids to think it’s them VS me. So I changed that one to smile vs. sad.
Start a timer and tell them it will run as long as they talk and you are going to take as much of their recess as they waste in your class. The good kids will tell the obnoxious ones to zip it because they want their recess. If they cry to the principal tell him or her that you were trying to set an expectation of classroom rules and you didn’t think it was office worthy. Tell her or him they were wasting classroom time.