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My daughter just attended a new teacher workshop at a ROE. A Superintendent presented (not hers) and told this room full of new teachers, “Real teachers get to school at 7:00 am and go home at 8:00 pm.” Really?? As a veteran teacher of 26 years, I was appalled! Makes sense why new teachers are leaving the classroom in their first five years and why we have a teacher shortage in Illinois with those type of expectations.

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It’s unfortunate but many of us do live at school. The demands placed on us with only
40 minutes of “planning” 4 days a week, 1 day is PLCs, we need to do it all in 160 minutes - impossible- communicating with families, grading papers, planning for differentiation, keeping our website/learning system updated, making copies
Or getting them ready if and when we can have volunteers, keeping our room clean, etc then throw in kids who are out and we need to stop and pull work for families to pick up. It’s too much - always putting more on the plate and never taking anything off.

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Arkansas HS 1 please be kind. No one is being a martyr. Just explaining reality. HS is also very different. You have more students but teach typically only 1-3 subject levels where as ES we have all subjects all needing differentiation and at this stage must communicate regularly with parents which stops in MS and is nonexistent in HS.

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I, now in my 50’s, regret the time I missed with my daughter while taking care of other people’s kids. I have one memory that I just can’t shake. I picked her up late everyday (until she was old enough to drive) and when I pulled into the circle drive, there were floor to ceiling windows that allowed you to see into the cafeteria. She was always the only one sitting there. It was a private high school and they allowed her to wait for me because they knew my situation. My daughter was a sweetheart about it. She never complained or made me feel guilty, but I do. I graded papers on the weekends at her sporting competitions. I would tell all new teachers to figure out a way to not do what I did. I would tell them to not sacrifice their own families for this profession.

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Me too!! I regret putting my own family second!

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And how much time did that Super spend as a "real teacher?" I'm finding that District Admins usually have 5 or fewer years of classroom experience.

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Fellow Texas teacher, most schools now only use year-to-year contracts.

That is inappropriate. I sacrificed too much of my family time over the years I will never get back for other kids. Teachers deserve better.

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Guess I’ll never be a real teacher then. Also if you do that you will not be married for long or not get married at all. If you have kids they will resent you and despise everything to do with school and you are only teaching them to be a workaholic. Plus I am way more than a teacher. This is just something I’m good at and enjoy and I’m lucky enough that it pays the bills.

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That’s crazy and it is not healthy! I take stuff home and work on it on my own time but my kids and their needs always come first.

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Is it possible that statement is being taken out of context?
That does sometimes happen, especially early in your career or if you coach. It's possible the presenter was just trying to convey that sometimes your work doesn't end at the bell, which is hard for the general public to understand.
Just playing devil's advocate here (and hoping that they weren't trying to pressure young teachers to put in 13 hour days!)

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Exactly!

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That superintendent is not a leader and should never be in any kind of role which interacts with people. Let alone students. He/she is giving a clear sign to run somewhere else. Take advantage of the openings.

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I did some of that my first year, but I got over it.

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My first years in 1st grade were 7:00-5:00 and some Saturday mornings. I hit the wall e eventually and learned to work smarter. That was a long time ago, before 1:1 devices so easier now. But it still takes more than just 8-3

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That’s definitely a breach of labor laws. Expecting teachers to work outside of contract time without compensation is repugnant. Sure…some teachers do that out of their own accord but, that should never be an expectation put forth by admin. That guy needs to lose his job.

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We work to live, not live to work. If you are at school for 13 hours, that is ridiculous. Is that Superintendent going to pay faculty for those 13 hours? Probably not.

My family comes first.

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I'm betting that superintendent thinks playing golf with his friends counts as working for him, but he wouldn't count going out with teacher friends as working for teachers.

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That’s crazy. We have lives too and that’s why so many teachers are burnt out !

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What profession did you finally find yourself in?

I’m with IHS2… without knowing your superintendent, I hope that wasn’t the full message? Maybe it was something more along the lines that it happens, teachers have a lot to do, especially being new you might find yourself working longer hours, …?

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I think as a new teacher there are times that you might stay late or go early, but after many, many, many years of teaching, your time management becomes better. After 27 years this work horse gets to school about ten minutes early and leave everyday at the time we are contracted for. I don’t bring work home anymore, but it always gets done somehow. My feeling is we have one chance at life, I’m refuse to spend my entire day and night at school. It’s all about balance and time management.

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I have almost as many years as you, and I am not quite there,but way better than I used to be!

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Tell your daughter the first year is definitely time consuming but it gets way better. Think smarter not harder and make time for your own life!!!

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Considering advise announced 30 years past to states, districts and PublicEd, we could now be on the fast track to “working smarter and not harder” beginning year #1.
#OutdatedPedagogy&System.

I’m appalled that it was stated. I hope the Teacher’s Association jumps on that one.

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Whenever an admin asks to have staff do things which require time outside of the school day I always say,

”No problem at all, when would you like me to do it.?”

Admin knows at this point that there will either be comp time or extra pay due, and they move on.

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Now that we have laptops they expect us to be available 24/7

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I’ll never be a real teacher even after 39 years I guess. I use my prep time and any snippet at lunch or right after school to prepare. Once in awhile I go in early in the morning on Saturday or Sunday and copy work for a few weeks. I don’t like to stay late. Once out old superintendent said, “Teachers are not allowed to drink alcohol in public.” Not at a bar, not at a restaurant, nowhere. He walked that back really fast ….

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Remind your daughter that what ever doesn’t get done one day will be there waiting for her the next. We don’t get paid to work overtime.

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