{ "media_type": "text", "post_content": "My firm is currently on a rotating schedule for WFH and office. My partners are very old school and pressuring me to show up in the office even when I’m not scheduled to be in the office and want me to be there five days a week. I already show up about four days a week and that doesn’t seem to be good enough. One of the partners asked me how much I care about doing well in my career and if I care, I should be in the office. No other first years show up at the office like I do. What should I do?", "post_id": "60faddf3f887cb00212e5bbb", "reply_count": 19, "vote_count": 5, "bowl_id": "5df70ed2f7169f002b172d3f", "bowl_name": "Big Law" }

My firm is currently on a rotating schedule for WFH and office. My partners are very old school and pressuring me to show up in the office even when I’m not scheduled to be in the office and want me to be there five days a week. I already show up about four days a week and that doesn’t seem to be good enough. One of the partners asked me how much I care about doing well in my career and if I care, I should be in the office. No other first years show up at the office like I do. What should I do?

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

If it’s a setup you don’t like, start looking. People are going to have different preferences these days. These partners have shown you what they prefer and if it’s not what you want, there are plenty of other options out there right now

likehelpful

This.

like

Leave. Can’t fix broken culture.

like

Find a different firm. Four days a week should be more than enough.

like

Decide for yourself where the partner is coming from. It's 100% true that as a very junior attorney, nobody benefits from face time as much as you. I'm in the same boat. That said, if the partners at your firm have a habit of pressuring you into things endlessly and using "how well do you want to do" as a pressuring tactic, then that's a big red flag. Most attorneys in our firm feel the same way as your partner, but they have the social skills to understand that it can't lead to anything good to be pressuring people as opposed to tell your POV and let the person make their own judgment like an adult they are. If the partner is coming from a truly "I'm trying to help you" POV, embrace that partner because that's a persistent mentor, you don't find those very often and they are indeed a career maker, especially if you already know they are good at what they do. If they are just trying to manipulate you for their own needs then just run.

like

Lol my firm hiring. We are on a come in as you please basis. Also changing to a casual dress code !

like

They are encouraging but based on my larger practice group meeting (everyone who is considered to be under a certain umbrella), it was do what’s best for you but not 100% remote.

In order to give a thoughtful answer I’d want a little more info from you. 1) what type of law do you practice; 2) where do you practice; 3) in non pandemic times how often does your job require you to be in court versus in the office; 4) in non pandemic times, if/when you do appear in court are you expected to go back to the office before/after appearances are over or did/does your firm let you return home?; 5) what are your reasons for not wanting to be in the office on the days you aren’t currently; 6) how has your billing and work performance been during the pandemic/on days when you WFH versus days when you’re in the office I personally think it’s BS that the partner is implicating that you only care about your career if you are in the office, however there is a lot to be said for getting face time with your colleagues, especially as a young associate (development of relationships, ability to easily collaborate and trouble shoot, ability to seek out advice from senior attorneys all comes to mind) and that can be important in some firms and to some people. My advice is to figure out why you don’t want to be in the office (is it because you are truly uncomfortable being in the office because of the risk of Covid or do you just like the WFH hours - personally I love a WFH day or two for personal reasons having nothing to do with Covid and all to do with my Covid puppy I have to leave every day I’m in the office) and once you have an understanding of your reasons for wanting the WFH day/option to approach the partner giving you a hard time and explain your position and also approaching HR and explaining your position (be sure to hammer home that you are following the protocols for WFH and in office days as set by your firm) to create a record of addressing the issue head on (you may even want to email yourself a summary of both meetings and keep it saved in an email folder so you have a date/time stamped record of what was said and to whom). Don’t compare yourself to other associates directly (if they’re noticing you not there one day they’ve noticed everyone else not there at all - no need to seem petty by bringing it up) but instead I would approach it with the partner more like “I have been following the firm requirements to be in the office according to the rotating schedule as established by management. I am happy to abide by this schedule in the interest if my own personal health and well being and the health and well being of my colleagues. Of course I care about the furtherance of my career however I also value my health and the health of those around me. I have been able to consistently meet, if not exceed, my billable hours and there have been absolutely no complaints with the quality of my work, despite my adherence to the established rotating wfh schedule. Until management changes it’s protocols with respect to our rotating schedule I intend to adhere to it, as I have been all along. If you feel like we need to discuss this further, I would like to sit down with HR and [the person who imposed the rotating schedule] in a meeting to discuss what is expected of me in terms of my days physically present in the office so that we are all on the same page. Also, I would like to meet with you on [date and time] each week to discuss my case status and workload for the upcoming week so that we can strategize about my cases and assignments. I’ve enjoyed working with you since I started at [firm] and would like to continue to learn under your mentor ship and guidance.” Doing it this way will likely turn a negative (the partner implying you don’t care about your career) into a positive (you showing the partner how much you really do care about your career) and set you up for success with this person as a possible mentor. There’s a reason why this person is noticing your absence, and it’s probably because they’ve come to rely on you as an associate. It can be hard, especially as a first year, when you realize you are more mature than some of the senior attorneys, and this sounds like one of those situations. Stand firm in what you want, do not be afraid of this person, and do not let their petty comments get you down. I think you’ll have to be the bigger person here if you want any kind of good resolution but I think you will succeed! And if you do not see any positive change and if you start to realize that this firm’s culture is not what you expected or want or feel comfortable working in, there is absolutely no shame in moving on.

This is why I only use FB on my phone. I would write WAAAY too much if I could type out answers on a full keyboard. 😂

They’ve made their preference known. So you can show up and hopefully that turns into positive thoughts and perception from the partners - particularly if no other associates come in as often as you do. If you think there is a reason they are singling you out, you’ll never feel comfortable and I recommend finding a better firm. The feedback doesn’t sound constructive and it’s never a good sign when someone is essentially threatening your future.

1. Find the partner who said that to you 2. Laugh in his face 3. Find someone else to work for. Don’t let these asshats take away a good thing. They know they are play the “career” card to coerce you to do things you don’t want to do.

Related Posts

Just like Deloitte UK, what's the status of Deloitte USI on providing choice to the employee for permanent wfh or going back to the office?

Ideas for fun team events on remote sites? We are in a construction site in the middle of nowhere (so prob restricted to hotel) but have a lot of junior associates and want to make it fun for them!

like

Best office chair?! I’m WFH until at least Jan 22 and I need to upgrade my desk chair. Suggestions? I know the Herman Miller is awesome but would love to spend less than $1k. Around $400ish

like

IEP, 504, and those without internet will return in-person next week while rest of students remain remote. Regular Ed teachers may have students (mild Learning Disabled kiddos) in their room while teaching. They are saying it’s a liability issue if they have one student in the room with them, even though teaching other via Zoom. Thoughts? Anyone else experiencing this?

like

What if we all banded together & made a pact to actually be productive during this no-travel period so our employers actually consider more remote work in the future? Can we all promise? 😂😂😂 JK Lmaoo

likefunny

Latham - what’s the wfh policy for the LA office? :)

like

Thoughts on working remote 75% as an analyst?

like

What fitness trackers do you use? Work from home and I've gotten really sedentary. Think having a reminder to get my ass up and move around will help.

like

I want to take a week-long vacation in June. Will it be “frowned upon” to take time off in the midst of quarantine/shelter in place? Especially since everyone is wfh and a vacation is nonessential? I work in Chicago.

like

Working from home internationally - if you’re wfh internationally, how have you been paying your taxes? Heard there’s a way to reduce tax when wfh internationally.

like

Did anyone hear anything about WFH ending? or how its gonna be implemented

like

Hi! Looking for a safe and fun city to live as a single, early 30s female. I have a remote job that will remain WFH even after pandemic. Want something with walkable nightlife. Budget of <$2000 for 1 bedroom apartment. Thanks in advance for any recommendations!

funny

Hi guys, I am planning to move to accenture. As in TCS, Work from home is planned till 2025.Will there be options to work from home for longer period in accenture. Because if i work from home I am able to take care of my dad as he is ill. So i feel WFH is best for me so please suggest

like

Are most strategy projects travel related or are there a good percentage of projects where the entire team is remote (assuming each person is from different cities)?

like

Anxiety for WFH when I really am ill 🤒

like

My professional life at the moment is far from ideal. I’ve been on quarantine (long story, but a good one) for the last seven years. Royalties from my books don’t pay the bills. My entrepreneurial pursuits remain hampered. For the interim, I’ve been looking for a remote opportunity where I can leverage my skills in marketing, sales, social media, and elsewhere for a decent sum. I have a social media presence which, in recent years, reached millions. There has to be something exciting I can do.

like

PwC Is anyone in Core Valuation 100% remote? Have a phone screen and wondering if it’s an ok question to ask the recruiter

like

Does Chartis provide any funding for WFH setup?

like

Is there a WFH stipend available to us? Few other firms offering this and curious if Accenture offers similar support

WFH fish, how do you consume information during the day. I relied on info from my network in-person but now that I’m at home, I’ve found it hard to keep up with the what’s going on. Any advice?

like

Additional Posts

Had 6 interviews for a director role at a biotech company 2 weeks ago, ghosted by the recruiter.. any advice? what should I do?

like

Just like Deloitte UK, what's the status of Deloitte USI on providing choice to the employee for permanent wfh or going back to the office?

What countries are you considering to early retire in? What’s your estimated monthly budget?

like

What are your thoughts on exiting to a Manager role at Accenture Strategy vs. DigitalBCG “project lead”? I eventually want to exit to a FAANG and do something around Business/Product Strategy or Product Management like most consultants 😂. I would say Business Strategy is probably more realistic with my work experience. I more than 5 years of experience and do not have an Ivy League MBA. Thanks in advance!

like

Anyone invited to interview R2 at LBS but haven’t been matched with your interviewer yet? I know it can take up to 2 weeks but the anticipation is killing me!

like

Hi Tax Bowlers, I'm an experienced associate (2yrs) in a Big 4 Transfer Pricing division. I have reached a point in my career where I am considering taking up a professional certification. Several colleagues recommended taking up either ACCA or CFA, however, I see little connection between these certifications and the work that I am currently doing, and what I plan to do in the future. What would you guys suggest? Would it be detrimental to my career if I did not take up any certifications?

like

Are AlixPartners or Alvarez & Marsal’s TRS/Restructuring groups on a hiring freeze? (I heard A&M was recently). TIA

like

Should I be aiming m7 with 4 yoe (1 as an internal consultant for a small company and 3 at a b4), 760 gmat, 3.3 engineering UG from a top 10 engineering program (3.5 engineering gpa), not a ton of ECs and ORM? Planning on applying this year round 2 but not sure if I’m more in the m7 or t15 range.

like

For anyone that went from a BDR role to a BDR manager role, how did you make the transition? I have 4 years of BDR experience unofficial team lead experience but no other leadership experience yet. I do not want to become an account executive so this seems like it might be the best path for me at this point to get to the next step in my career. Advice?

like

I am starting to question my existence in this world. I have a nice job, decent salary, i work out and eat healthy, maintain my health, read 3 to 4 books every month, dont have any personal commitments (single), in my early 30s and things cant be any better. Of course with the exception that i had a real bad break-up with my fiancé 6 months ago. And i dont have any symptoms of depression, but there are days when i just feel like what is all this for?

likehelpful

MBB interview tomorrow. I’ve been studying hard for the last two weeks. Do I go to my intramural b-ball game @ 9pm or study the rest of the night. Confidence level 50%

like

Ever walk into an interview and just know you’re not going to gel with your interviewer?

like

First year C here. Button down + chinos + blazer okay for the holiday party? Too casual?

like

What are your best tips for smiling nicely in photos? I cannot endure another holiday season of photos that make me cringe

likefunny

Partners - what made you decide (and when was this) to pursue the Partner track vs taking a sweet industry exit? Do you believe that certain personalities/traits in people make them better suited to go the Partner route?

like

Anyone using blockfi credit card?. What is your experience in terms of earning rewards when compare with traditional rewards from other banks?

like

Hi, all! I’ve been in philanthropy/development space for my entire career w/some community impact/CSR work. Any advice on how to transition from nonprofit to CSR or corporate foundation? I did a post masters certificate in CSR, but I’m having no luck turning that into an opportunity.

like

Internal recruiter scheduled a final meeting with the CEO (haven’t met him yet) and all of the people I interviewed with already. Has this happened to anyone? Are they going to present an offer on the call? Feels awkward 😂

like

Hi all, while booking an appointment for US VISA, somehow my Passport number is incorrectly logged and submitted. (It's missing a letter). All other details like Name, Address, DS160 numbers are all correct. I've already paid the fee... Will it be a challenge? Any way I can correct it now?

like

My department head mentioned to me that there may be a high school teaching position opening in the future and they think I'd be good for it. I'm not sure I'd want to make the change because I've only ever taught middle school, (14 years!), and wonder how big the change in student attitude and behavior would be like? This year though, the kids I have are really draining and it's got me thinking. Would high school students be the same crazy behaviors or would their maturity make a big impact?

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
Download Fishbowl to see what others are saying
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the Fishbowl app

Get realtime notifications and see
what's happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal