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“We’re not comfortable socializing indoors with folks who are not vaccinated. It’s obviously up to you what you do with your own health, but I thought I’d let you know in advance of your trip so that you don’t count on us for anything indoors!”
C1- the trick is holding the line. No visits without 2 week quarantine or proof of vaccine. It also helped that my mom was still nervous about COVID so she was locked in her house alone, and that’s not sustainable. If your MIL just back out in the world no-mask no-vaxx style, it’s gonna be tough.
You've got anti-vax levels of paranoia, friend. Just ask them if they have any symptoms before you meet. Put your kids in masks if you're that concerned but odds are you have very little to worry about.
1/3 people in the UK who test positive have no symptoms so I think you’re right to worry…
I don't want my kids to be near unvaccinated people mostly bc I don't want my kids to learn stubbornness, foolishness, and willful ignorance from them.
And all of those things are much worse for my kids' wellbeing than the Delta variant, which they also probably have.
There is absolutely NO evidence that the Vaccine inhibits the spread. Theoretically it does not stop spread. All it will do is make sure you don’t have severe hospitalization if you catch COVID. In most cases it does appear that it helps a lot in fighting COVID. So far… anyway the real results won’t come until AFTER next wave as we have learned is that for some reason spread of COVID is very minimal through the summer.
Drs are using the minimal information they have and making shit up as they go. Because in reality all of us are just making up shit as we go in life. I don’t care how much experience you have a lot of your information is your best educated guess.
We need herd immunity so we need just enough people to be vaccinated, those that have gotten it, thank you for doing your part in society.
Once we pass a good percentage for herd immunity we NEED people to stay unvaccinated. As their risk is to themselves and in no way does an unvaccinated person increase risk for others as BOTH vaxx and unvaxx people can spread COVID just the same. This is so that in case we find out 10 years from now that certain vaxx will cause cancer or affect offsprings we need a pool of non-vaxx people as a control.
We are doing mass Human trials at the moment, unfortunately it was required. So don’t be stupid and point fingers at people for reasons why they won’t take or reasons why they will. It’s risk management and a part we must all play for humanity.
If you’re vaxxed why do you care?
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A2, if most people were vaccinated, Covid would stop spreading, and 90% would be good enough because you’d be much less likely to encounter an infected person, and even people who can’t be vaccinated (like kids) would be protected by the lack of spread. Look up herd immunity. That’s how we eradicated polio in the U.S.
There are lots of studies during the trials of folks who got pregnant during the vaccine trials…
But they should know:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pregnancy/index.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/the-covid19-vaccine-and-pregnancy-what-you-need-to-know
And they can keep an eye out for this:
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-begins-study-covid-19-vaccination-during-pregnancy-postpartum
I can understand the hesitancy. But at least for me there’s a lot of information out there already, and the only people getting symptomatic right now are all unvaccinated…
What's the point of getting vaccinated if you don't think it will work? Are you uncomfortable because you think you will get covid? Kind of defeats the purpose for getting vaccinated.
@Delotte12 no, because the injuries sustained in the car accident (e.g. blunt force trauma) were not caused by a SARS-CoV-2 infection or from developing COVID-19.
This smacks of last year's "but, but, but hospitals get more money for every covid case!" disinformation/misinformation. (Not every case, only the ones covered by Medicare.) Couple that with the widely-spread story of a single instance where a motorcyclist that died due to motorcycle accident was classified as a COVID-19-related death, and unqualified people started "seeing" misclassification everywhere (but always 3rd-party, of course).
If you believe that, it is easy to assume that hospitals have a reason to lie and classify every death as COVID-19-related. There has also been no reported cases where a hospital was artificially inflating their COVID-19-related deaths.
Seeing as how you moved the goalposts here, by grasping for something that has nothing to do with the original discussion, this likely means you now understand what "dying from COVID-19" means as opposed to "dying with COVID-19" and never have to speak on it again.
You’re vaccinated so why do you care? In my opinion their choice is kinda dumb, but it doesn’t really affect you in any way
If they have had Covid then everyone is okay. I had Covid over a year ago and I am still testing positive for antibodies. My doctor said I was better off than most who got the vaccination. That was a good tip to know.
TC1- Very insightful.
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Imagine being so bereft of manners, decency and empathy that you feel the need to mock someone for having these concerns after a year and a half of a devastating global pandemic in which we witnessed widespread human suffering and death and many of us lost loved ones. OP has unvaccinated children. The pandemic isn’t over. There is a new, highly contagious variant. If you are harboring so much anger that you need to leave a hostile comment on this post, you need therapy.
Lol covidiocy at its finest. Then why did you take the covid vaccine at all?
The whole point of the vaccine is to prevent you from getting hospitalized if you do catch covid. It was never meant to be a "I'm vaccinated so I'm going to galavant around". Spouse (who's a physician) and I are also family planning, and the risk of getting covid far outweighs the risk of the vaccine causing anything significant. We got the vaccine as soon as we could. If anything there are studies indicating potential risk of infertility if you catch covid.
I would just straight up tell them you're not comfortable. I have a ton of family doing the same crap. It's your life, and if they get butthurt and offended, that's their problem to deal with.
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I would tell them that you aren’t comfortable especially with your little ones. I have a 2 year old and I’m currently pregnant and we don’t allow family members that aren’t vaccinated and traveling and not taking precautions around us. We are also wearing masks when we are out as well.
FYI : I got pregnant literally right after I got my second shot, but whatever works for everyone.
Tell them they are in a pandemic. Repeat until they accepted the fact, we are still in a pandemic. When you get sick you take meds. When you’re in pandemic you get vaccines. If you don’t get vaccinated at this point (not due to any underlying health concerns), such souls likely just vanished in the past crushing year Becuz you had no idea how deviating covid was. People around the world (such as Taiwan right now) would do anything to get the vaccine, and they are not getting it because….?
At some point you need to look at the statistics of people getting it and think… hey this is family and there’s not much of a chance of getting the virus. Sounds like you aren’t really living life at the moment and might just be doing what the media scares you into doing. Be smart but don’t live your life in total fear. See your family. Just my advice.
Why isn’t OPs sister/family the one living in total fear? They refuse the vaccine because…they are scared.
I think something important to remember here is that at the core of it, you are both doing what you think is best for your families. That looks different, sure, but I think it should help you reframe a bit and move away from the fear mindset and more into the middle ground of understanding. Agreeing to disagree is okay, but loving your family is super important above all.
There was a party recently in my community that required proof of vaccination at the door- 400 person dance party in a club, so far 14 people have reported breakthrough cases of COVID, ranging from from asymptotic to mild flulike symptoms to very miserable. This is what the vaccine does. It likely will keep people out of the hospital and from dying, and it significantly lowers the chances of COVID, but they are not (and likely never will be) zero. People should be empowered to choose their level of risk and do what they need to feel safe.
Just tell them you don't want to meet up and why . They should be fine with it.
We had Covid already, and are choosing not to vaccinate until the vaccinations are FDA approved, and would have no problem if friends or family decided not to see us because of that decision.
Interesting how many of the responses on this post are hostile towards you for excercising your choice not to interact with the unvaccinated. What happened to freedom of choice? Don't let these people gaslight you. You have every right to be concerned. Try to keep your message short, without excuses or justifications. Something like "we're not comfortable meeting up in person until you are vaccinated. Sorry" they will probably not understand and be offended but you can't control that.
The coronavirus vaccine doesn’t protect you from getting COVID. It just reduces the side effects of COVID. So even though you are vaccinated, you can get COVID (from your sister or a random person at the grocery store) and pass along your children.
So what you are all saying is that it has an effectiveness that is better than not taking the vaccine, right? So thanks for endorsing the vaccine.
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I flat out refused my brother who wanted to come stay with us for long weekend. Brother was COVID positive 6 months ago but hasn’t taken a vaccine yet.