New firm, two lawyers who assign me work technically are not giving me any substantial work. 1st year associate...tips?
Am I going to get fired 😭

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This is typical. They want to see if you can do the simple things first before they give you complicated things. I know it seems trivial, but “wax on wax off” young grasshopper.

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I messed up a bank run 😭

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Be proactive about asking, if you haven’t been. When’s your next evaluation? I made a point of saying at my first year eval I felt I was being underutilized and could do more substantive work and started getting much more after that.

There’s a possibility you’re not getting substantive work because they don’t think you’re great, but much more likely they simply aren’t thinking about you and just assigning simple tasks that they know any warm body can do, because if they assign complex tasks that you fuck up, it’s time and money for them to fix it. A gentle proactive reminder from you can be v helpful in that circumstance.

Also, make sure you’re being absolutely perfect on the tasks you do get, and try to think substantively about your work on those as well. E.g., you’re told to draft a set of form documents. Easy first year way to do it is just fill in the blanks in the forms. The actually helpful and lawyerly way to do it is to really dig into thinking about the specifics of the deal (read the term sheet v carefully etc) and think about how, if at all, the forms need to change. May be the case that the forms are already built for your scenario and nothing needs to change, but you might, for example, make form changes or footnote questions in a couple of places where you have thoughts on how the forms could be better catered for your specific deal. Even if senior attorney doesn’t accept your changes, they’ll notice that you’re being thoughtful and trust you on a more substantive task the next time.

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My boss is ex big law so I could ask... thanks guys!

I second the be proactive. This happened to me my 1st year. Turns out the partners had been planning on leaving the firm for a while and never considered the fall out to the new associate they’d just hired.... I immediately went to work meeting other partners asking for work even in several different areas. I ended up as the head associate in a litigation group with a partner I loved within a year, took a case to the state Supreme Court, learned a ton that I never would’ve learned otherwise. I did eventually leave to go in house bc I was a regulatory lawyer to start with and never loved litigation, but I wouldn’t trade that time for anything...

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No. You're not getting fired.

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Is there anything I can do other than keep going to them and being like “is there anything I can help out with”, or say another similar variation of that?

Oh haha. Well 3 weeks in is no time to be worrying about anything, just let life progress and try not to worry too much.

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