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Not to start a political debate… I am not anti vaccine but have not wanted to get the COVID vaccine. I think I will be getting the vaccine tomorrow. Anyone else feel conflicted who originally really did not want to get it, but was kind of feeling forced to get it?

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OP, I would like to urge you to read about the history of immunization. In the early modern age of 1700s, before the “modern vaccines” were developed, variolation and other ways of inoculation / immunization used to exist. The risk of death in variolation was 0.5-2.0% but the actual death rate of smallpox was 20 to 30%. So, people were willing to take small risk of 0.5-2.0% in inoculation rather than one fifth to one third of “death risk due to disease itself”. Even if smallpox did not kill a person, it used to leave permanent damage like a total, irreversible blindness (35-40%) or permanent facial scars (65-80%). Now, risk of disease is a lot higher than risk of a side or adverse effect from COVID vaccines. Honestly, I would prefer a mild fever over 3-4 weeks of hospitalization. My mom got COVID and she was hospitalized twice. Her cytokine storm was severe, her blood pressure did not decrease and was very difficult to control with medical intervention. Back in March, she had scheduled her 1st dose vaccine appointment, but just one day before her appointment, she tested positive for coronavirus. I don’t want to remember that crazy time period. During her disease, she was mostly in a hospital room by herself, totally isolated from the world except for her iPhone with internet. She said, “I wish I were able to receive one single dose instead of going through this painful torture”. After an initial drop in her blood pressure, when vitals were going to normal, she was discharged to go back home. Cytokine storm hit again, and she was hospitalized again. Her recovery was about 3-4 weeks, with 2 ‘5-day hospital stays’. A couple of months after she recovered from COVID, she got 2 doses of COVID vaccine. It is still not clear if she can be reinfected or if a different, a more dangerous strain of the virus can infect her even more terribly. As of today, out of 42.9 million COVID cases in the US, death toll is 688,000. Death rate is 1.6%. Among survivors, according to a June 2021 study of medical claims, long COVID is as prevalent as 25 percent. Long COVID can be characterized as persistent COVID-related symptoms despite recovery. Side effects go away after 1 day or 2. COVID takes weeks, death risk is high, and the long COVID risk is as high as 25% (even more in a lot of people). Severe adverse events due to vaccination are only seen in about less than 1% of the people. Out of 331 million people in the US, reported number of the people who got COVID is 42.9 million. This is close to 13 percent of the total population. Actual number can be higher due to the people who had an infection but didn’t have any symptoms (asymptomatic), they can totally recover, but they’ve probably infected a lot of other people. I’m glad my mom is alive and well. Before her disease, last year, I bought my parents Apple Watches, and I’m tracking their activities. She cannot exercise as much anymore, because it still has some long-term effects on her health. She gets tired easily after a mild exercise, and she cannot even finish a “30-minute non-stop walk” per day. She sometimes has high blood pressure issues again. You can ask yourself. Is it worth this suffering? It doesn’t mean you will definitely have it. It is a risk. You may have it. My sister had COVID a year ago, last year in October. She recovered, she is young. On a treadmill and indoor bike, she says she gets tired very easily, compared to her performance before the disease. Getting a vaccine versus getting the disease was not even a decision in the Middle Ages. Luckily, we are not in medieval times, and we are able to immunize millions of healthy adult people safely and effectively. If I were you, I’d be a bit more appreciative of modern vaccine technology. As a person who worked on RNA (specifically mRNA, messenger RNA) in thesis research, I will never understand the hesitant people. As soon as it was available, I ran and got it immediately. I hope you are doing the same exact thing.

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Thanks for getting the vaccine. There is literally no good scientific (or other) reason for not getting it. Youre doing your part, you shouldn’t feel conflicted

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Except that’s not how it works nor has it ever worked like that. In cases of limited resources (organ donations, etc), there is always a prioritization methodology to give out those resources to the most deserving. This is not a new concept, and hospitals have directly said that those who are unvaccinated will be lower priority than those who are vaccinated (along with many other factors obviously).

I have to get it soon for work. I have a family to feed and don’t really have a choice. If it was up to me, I wouldn’t get it until the finalized studies come out & the pharmaceutical companies don’t have immunity in 2024. Had COVID and was fine in 4 days. People can virtue signal all they want. If I was an entrepreneur - I would NOT mandate my employees to do so. I would also not give my $ to places like NYC or visit Australia after everything going on. Sad times to be honest. And I’m sick of this ridiculous “oh you have to take it for mine to work.”

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And because of those factors, EY3, it shouldn’t be a one-sized-fits-all solution for every state. It’s the federal directive that’s stupid and thoughtless.

I’m getting my third shot on Thursday. I could advise you to build a bridge and get over it. I think COVID vaccination is our responsibility to our beloved ones. Especially children that can’t be vaccinated, more vulnerable people among us, the elderly, immunocompromised and/or organ transplant recipients. A few days ago, a friend of mine lost his sister due to COVID, after a month of battle. I asked if she had preexisting conditions. He said “My sister had received a kidney transplant before and she was being given immunosuppressive treatment to prevent transplant rejection”. My friend traveled to his home country to see his sister, but she was already in ICU under strict isolation. So he couldn’t say good bye for the last time. After hearing these sad stories, I can’t have a shred of sympathy for the “vaccine hesitant” people. I’m not saying you are an anti-vaxer. You may have hesitations. Science is already clear. This vaccine prevents deaths. Especially among the “vulnerable” who could otherwise die because of COVID, vaccine reduces death by more than 99%.

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We are comparing apples and oranges here. I told you that Pennsylvania vaccinated people are ‘7.9 times less likely to die of COVID’ than unvaccinated people. Also, 97% of the deaths due to COVID were among the unvaccinated. And you are showing me COVID case counts. 1- Vaccine may not completely prevent these breakthrough infections (which happened in the gay crowd in Provincetown during Fourth of July weekend, for instance). 2- Vaccine protection may wane over time, as antibodies to coronavirus spike protein might not last forever. It can still prevent deaths due to ‘primed and trained immune system’ to the spike protein. 3- When vaccinated people get infected, they have a much milder disease compared to the unvaccinated people. This is very obvious. If you don’t trust the data, I feel sorry for you. You are trying to spread anti-vax propaganda based on false interpretations or assumptions that don’t reflect the reality.

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Haven’t gotten it and will hold out as long as I possibly can to allow the longer term vax studies and data to come out. This virus has at least a 99.5% survival rate, so as a healthy person I’ll play the odds.

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I feel the same way, the govt is implicitly forcing me to get ‘em (limited services, limited public interactions). I do see many healthcare workers who are fighting against this, they may know something that we (common people) don’t know.

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I won’t be getting the vaccine either. There’s nothing irrational about not wanting it.

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Think of it as a vaccine that you needed to get into public school

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Yes, felt forced to get the jab by my family. 30 ish, in good health, and no health issues. What pushed me over was pressure from my fiancé and seeing a lot of my Indian colleagues have family members die from delta ( April/may ). Go for a run and decide right after when you have a clear head, don’t let peer pressure influence you. I don’t regret getting it, but will most likely not get the booster. Either way, do you.

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Same about that booster.. Im not getting it.

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I have friends that are vaccinated and friends that are not vaccinated. I love all of them equally. This vaccine has divided the country and has made us hate people we don’t even know. Everyone’s story is different.

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I don’t get this stupid forced stuff. Am I forced not to park next to a fire hydrant. Am I forced not to wear a seat belt in airplane and in a car. Am I forced to pay taxes. Am I forced to follow the law. I find these arguments extremely stupid around free will and forced to take vaccines. The human race became intelligent enough to live in big civilizations and so we all have to compromise for the safety of others to live in these massive groups called towns, cities and countries. The vaccine seems a no brainer in terms of risk vs reward take it.

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If you’re “not an anti vaxxer” why are you so antagonistic and defensive the comments….

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So many sheeple here

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In the end selfishness and stupidity can always be rationalized through arguments like my freedom.

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EY 3 you literally sound like the villain in a movie

You can always get the single shot J&J vaccine. That is not mRNA based. Yes there was the blood clot pause, but the rate is ridiculously low that it can happen. Women on birth control have a higher risk of blood clots than the vaccine.

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Be sure to check your state dept of health website. Some states have that info online, or offer local clinics that may have that vaccine. I got the J&J myself back in May. I just could not afford the 12-36 hours of downtime, not with four kids. I had no adverse reactions myself, not even a sore arm. One weird thing that did happen though. I suffer from seasonal allergies and have to take medicine daily just to control them. Even then I still get stuffy, runny nose, etc. When I got the vaccine, about 30 minutes later, all my allergy symptoms disappeared for about 4 hours. I'm assuming it was just my body shifting it's immune response to the vaccine rather than the histamines. Of course they came back later that day, but for those few hours I could breathe without any issue. Good luck!

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Thank you for doing so.

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This is exactly what anti-vaxxers say. Thank you for changing your mind..what was the reason for conflict? Do you take flu shots every year?

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OP did the doctors confirm these were due to the vaccine? I have several friends that got blood clots this year that didn’t get the vaccine or Covid.

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This was me OP. I only got it to basically keep my job. I hate that its being forced but what can you do. Ive had ppl say all kinds of wild disrespectful stuff to me on here and outside this app but mostly just here.

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Aww you poor thing. Imagine the horror. It really was so tough on u, wasn't it

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Please stand up for what is right for you and do not ever compromise your own value and beliefs!!

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The outright pro-vax bullying here makes me lose faith in humanity. That’s enough internet for the day

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Just get the damn vaccine and show the world you know how to function in a modern society

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Don’t need to show the world what I did or didn’t do. It’s my business both their or yours.

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