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Now that my school is completely in-person, I’m noticing that the students who were online last year are pushing back on everything we do in school. Following the most basic of rules, directions, or fun is a struggle. I teach 8th grade, but I coach in the high school. I’m seeing it across the board. Is anyone else seeing this too? Is your school or district addressing it with any preventative measures social-emotional supports?

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I am seeing it too. Good grief I’m exhausted! It’s gotten to the point that I feel the kids run the school. And, the parents for that matter. We have an advisory/intervention/enrichment. Which is 38 minutes instead of the regular 48 minutes of the day and I teach my bed off every day. I have taught social emotional learning, we’ve talked about our emotions, we’ve role-played, we’ve done skits, watched videos about drugs for Red Ribbon Week, we’ve even read a book school-wide called “All Of The Above” by Shelley Pearsall. When I got my new General Music 7th graders this rotation for quarter 2 which started on Tuesday, October 12, the kids seemed completely clueless about how to “do” school. They were coming from PE and from what I’ve seen is completely unstructured and not even in the ballpark with my high expectations for my music classes and music students. In the beginning, I expected it to be pretty chaotic, but everyday over and over was one student after another being escorted out of my room. It wasn’t long before parents started complaining and students started being allowed to drop out since there’s another music teacher this year, unlike in years past, that was made to teach Gen. Music here with me. We have absolutely no collaboration, no books, no activities, no guidelines or structure. I could not possibly teach 1,200 7th and 8th graders all by myself so now to combat the problem that we’ve had the last 4 years since I’ve been here the administration decided that 7th graders would take 9 weeks of Gen. Music and 8th graders would take Art both opposite 9 weeks of PE/Health & Safety, and then either Keycode in the 7th grade and Career Development in 8th grade both for a semester. I got off subject… The discipline in my classes became so horrible that I could barely teach, and I was having students removed daily, some multiple times a day. It had gotten to the point that in one Gen. Music class I had 3-4 students skipping in the bathroom, students coming in late, and then yelling at me, mouthing at me, cursing at me, about every single thing, just for doing my job and following the rules. It became an unhealthy, unsafe, and unenjoyable learning environment. I get called into the principals office and I felt like I was the one on trial. They continue to send the students back to class every day until I finally put my foot down and called my AEA representative/union person Who asked me what I wanted to do moving forward. I told him not much because I will be retaliated against and then they will look for every little thing and try to get rid of me or put me on an improvement plan. We have eight classes that do not even have a teacher and some classes have not had a teacher the entire year and it is Halloween. The principal is having to teach a couple of math classes because he does not have a teacher. I had four teacher friends quit last week or the week before due to mental health issues. One teacher was pregnant and her doctor told her if she did not resign she might lose the baby again. It is extremely sad what we are all dealing with. However, I pride myself in being a very strict teacher with high expectations with multiple activities every 7 to 10 minutes sometimes for activities in a 50 minute music class with seventh graders. I was just applauded last year by my new principal, this is my third in four years, that’s a story for another day, and now I’m being called in the office every other day because parents are calling and complaining. I don’t know what to do. I’m going to stay the course because I know that “Rome wasn’t built in a day“. This week was the i’ve had all year long! How do I make my administration see that other than take pictures and videos which is what I did today because if I don’t brag on myself who will?! I’m way out in another building that seems a mile away and there are days that I get to school at 8 o’clock and leave at 6 or 7 at night and never see another adult. The world we live in has gone mad! at least I played “pass the beat/pumpkin“, “just dance“, sing some karaoke Halloween songs, and had fun. And make my own fun! Normally I said the kids out if we are doing a fun game but I couldn’t even greet my kids the first day of the new quarter and go over the rules without eight disruptions from eight obnoxious children. Isn’t that sad and such a shame?! And what is my administration do? They drop them all and put them in the band teacher‘s music class when he’s never even taught music class before and has no materials, no textbooks, no workbooks, etc. I have 28 years of instruments, books, old textbooks, workbooks galore, a plethora of games and activities from teachers pay teachers, even escape games on Google classroom that we’ve been doing now that we finally have chrome books. We didn’t even get chrome books this year because 400 were broken or stolen or not turned in last year. We finally got them in the middle of October. I was hesitant to start using them in music class because the kids just get on them and play games and yes I know about Go Guardian and use it faithfully if I use the chrome books. what I find now is if I allow them to use the chrome books I have seven or eight kids out of 20 kids that want to go around my room and crawl under my tables which is unsafe to plug in their chrome books. I have thousands of worksheets copied then I’ve been passing out. You would think that they would catch on to this that I don’t let them charge their Chromebook in my class but then they say that I should be “fired“ and one girl told me this week that her mama was going to come up and “slap my face”. We finally had a conference yesterday with that child’s mother and I have a recording of her daughter yelling at me in my classroom and that was only the end of the conversation which seemed more like a back-and-forth situation but I honestly was trying to get her removed from my class and eventually I stopped talking and she kept going. She took my silence as a sign apparently to keep talking and it got worse and worse. My administration dared to ask me why I went back-and-forth with her and since I only had a little bit of proof the conference yesterday did not go well. The mother actually cussed at me and told me that she wasn’t speaking to me but she was speaking to the two principals that were in the meeting with us yesterday. I could go on and on and on and write a book! I’ve had a lot of friends over the years that told me that I should write a book! I was in a school shooting and two of my kids got shot in Arkansas but it wasn’t advertised because no one was killed. I have PTSD because of it and yet I still continue to teach junior high students because I feel I have the energy and the structure that they so desire whether they think they need it or not!

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Since I retired 3 years ago, I substitute teach because I enjoy the kids and love the flexibility. I don’t have a credential but have taken some teacher education classes when I worked at a nearby university. Enough to know how important classroom management is. I believe I’ve had some success because I’ve gotten job requests directly from both classroom teachers and admins. Recently I subbed in an unruly 5th grade class where the kids gave me pushback almost immediately even though I told them their teacher had given me a very specific lesson plan which included a seating chart, 6 ft social distancing, of course masking at all times, etc. Some students were argumentative and continued certain behavior even after being corrected. By the end of the day, the social distancing became a joke and in frustration I said something to the entire class about them having memory problems since I was having to repeat myself so many times. The next day I had a call from the principal asking me to take a break from subbing there for the rest of the school year. I was shocked and when I asked why all he gave me was that he had received several emails from parents who said I coughed during class, pulled my mask down (to take a sip of water when I coughed), and made a comment to the entire class about their memory issues when some of the kids were actually following directions. (Yes, I now realize sarcasm is not appropriate and that it is important to recognize those students who were following directions.) He said he was sorry but he knows the parent community and it was better for everyone if I recused myself. This experience has troubled me greatly and after reading these posts, I’m wondering if some of this behavior is due to the pandemic and students’ return to the classroom after a long hiatus. Thoughts?

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Yes!! They also do not want to do anything, expect to be entertained all of the time, and need me to repeat everything I say a million times. It’s exhausting. For every assignment I give, they are either lining up at me desk for help or following me around the room as I assist other kids. They are also callous and cruel to each other and to me, and I am spending a lot of class time working on social skills. I am in a middle school and I am nearing retirement. I always said that I will teach until I lose my joy, and this year might be it for me.

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This is year 31 for me. Prior to the pandemic I could never envision leaving this job— it was my passion. The disrespect in the classroom and misdirected hostility toward teachers in my district community and at large is so disheartening. Saying that I’ve “lost my joy” is the perfect way to put it. If I even make it through this year it will be a miracle.

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In my opinion, based on the struggles of my own personal children, I would say many kids are feeling overwhelmed and stressed by the fact that fast-paced life, hectic schedules, and extracurricular activities have come back full force. I see exhausted children, exhausted parents, and of course-exhausted teachers. The pace has returned to race car speed, and they, like us, are trying to adapt. Teachers feel like they cannot have one more thing on their plate, so do students. I believe these feelings are what are contributing to the pushback. Just my observation in my own household and circle of friends and family.

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It should never have been race car speed to begin with. Sadly, it seems we have learned nothing 😔

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At the end of last year our administration predicted this and formed committees designed to get the students back on track socially and academically. Planning ahead to deal with students who had been out of school for a year and a half worked for us.

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To answer a couple of questions, we formed faculty committees so that buy in would be high. Our admin team does listen to us most of the time and our principal puts student and staff concerns before everything else. Best principal I have ever worked with. Some of our ideas that worked: every homeroom has a counselor assigned to it (counselors lead discussions about behavior, stress, coping with changes etc), tardiness is handled by admin (teachers do not have to discipline the students because admin keeps track for us), we got the students back together with movie nights, new activities, and a senior only lunch room, and we moved our pep rally and homecoming outside so the need for masks was reduced which resulted in record attendance.

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Yep. Same. Also see a huge dip in interpersonal and social skills and awareness. Sad.

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Yes. It's a really serious problem that will affect generations of kids.

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Very evident at our school. Students have no regard for rules. Basic social skills are nonexistent. There is pushing, shoving, demanding and a “me first to hell with you” attitude. This is our posterity. FRIGHTENING

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Yet it's not this kids' fault.

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Same in the elementary grades. No specific measures. Seems the staff is supposed to pull together, recognize it and handle it.

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Don’t worry. It’s the same at the high school level.

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Same in PreK and we hey weren’t necessarily in a virtual program. I wonder how much of the social distancing over the last year and a half plays into this. Have we forgotten how to “read” and respond to others emotions and how to simply communicate? Are children in a fight or flight mentality in the classrooms? What is home life like and how much of it is influencing school?

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They can't see my face - or one anothers'. We communicate emotions with our faces, and I think this plays a part.

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Yes. Middle school. The new 6th graders are cretins. 7th and 8th awful, too. Kids who were good a few years ago are now goofballs.

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That’s happening here too. It’s as if their parents did everything for them or didn’t speak to them at all. Then, the parents push back, regarding how their zoom teacher was. Hello?!? They had a mute button!

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I don't see it as resistance, it's just a lack of practice and deferred development. I keep in mind these 8th graders have only had a few months of middle school before going home for over a year and a half. Academic growth was stunted, but so was social development and the very, very important growth in socialization. In essence, they didn't just forget, but didn't learn how to "school". For 7th graders, it's even worse. They never really became acclimated to the middle school environment, and for the 6th graders, they're jumping from 4th grade to a middle school environment with 3-4 times the population as well as the myriad changes that come with middle school life. Despite this, what I am seeing here in our school is that for the most part, students are very happy to be back. They are certainly happy to see and interact with their friends. They are generally engaged and understand they need to catch up academically, too. Sure, they encounter fatigue, but I don't see students actively trying to get in trouble (tik-tok challenges aside) the way I've seen in past years.

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All true. Well stated.

It’s like that in Elementary as well. Every morning we have to do Social Emotional Learning. This is suppose to help the students reconnect with learning but so far it isn’t working.

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That sel BS had almost derailed my school year. Be caring, warm, and welcoming and be perceived as a doormat. Guess what? That crap is out the window, the general is back, and what a surprise....behavior is improving!

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I see the same. Students have forgotten "how to school." They are so used to near-zero supervision and structure that they are not coping well in a structured environment. We are in week 11 and it still feels like week 2. Sigh

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Allow me to add in a twist. I am a Spc Ed teacher. My students came to think a long time ago that very little was expected from them and then with last year being as it were, grand decisions made that caused students to get promoted even if they never even showed up or never even tried to do any work...Now they think there are no expectations AND they do not care!

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We have to stop treating these students as victims of this crisis. They they had to go through it but we have to stop making this an excuse for poor behavior. We are simply enabling this behavior. Yes for some there is something wrong and that needs to be looked into but most misbehavior needs to be dealt with ASAP and not necessarily in the harshest manner. Teachers are exhausted from all this and it must be addresses.

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I don't think they are outright using it as an excuse, but acknowledging the correlation. It's similar to how many of us think we suck this year.

Indeed! 8th period 8th graders after many had lunch. Wow! A challenge to say the least. There is push back to complete tasks. Pushback on other basic things like my not allowing them to leave the room at the moment they want. My class is opposite Art where they are freer to move at will. My patience are thin. Ugh!

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Yes!

I work at a LARGE HS in GA. Several of us say that these students have gone feral. In one week, we had 7 fights. There has been a SMALL improvement, but manners, social skills, respect for ANYONE other than themselves are GONE.

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This all makes me feel so much better. I've been teaching for 20 years, middle school and now high school, and I have one class that is COMPLETELY out of control. I've never had such a disrespectful class in my life. It's right after lunch, mostly sophomores, and nothing I've tried has worked. Sounds like it's a common problem.

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I started teaching my science classes in rotational groups so I can give more individual attention, since there were a lot of attention seeking behaviors. Also stopping teaching whole group took away the captive audience from the attention seekers. Double win. I pull them together around one table to introduce, not with them at their seats. They rotate to each assignment or activity, 1 per day. It goes like this this, day 1, go over and fishbowl each station. This is the worst day as they are en masse and don't want to listen, but I think that will get better as my classes are really enjoying this new format. Design 3 simple stations. Break up class in 3 groups so they do 1 a period for 50 min class. They do the next one the next day and so on. On Friday, review and quiz what was learned. You can focus on one station where you do the meat of the teaching, and float to other stations occasionally if needed. This is helping with behavior, A Lot. I'll cover less topics this year, but it's So. Much. Better. My stations are, reading, edu. videos, and hands-on lab. Good luck!

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absolutely. And all the support is for the students.

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When do teachers get support? SEL for students? How about SEL for teachers? It's rough in the elementary school too. Students don't know how to treat each other, they can't work independently, they won't stay in their seats, they tattle all day. It's exhausting.

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We were in person all of last year & we see the same thing about "how to do school." We were not allowed to give paper out last year, so all learning was via a Chromebook. Students are used to looking up the answers on the internet rather than problem-solving. It is as if the students don't invest in their behavior or learning because the teacher has done all the work & thinking for them.

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“…because the teacher has done all the work & thinking for them. “ This sometimes looks like a “teaching” focus vs a learning focused design and system (IoT, or not), IMHO.

yes we are seeing it a LOT. Admin tells us to "be firm and consistent" but THEY fail to follow through with discipline. Dress code is ignored by admin unless they yell at us for not sending the kid to ISS (yet we cannot leave our class to do take them there and no response from admin or rarely) Seriously, how many write ups can I do in two minutes? I don't see any real school wide supports; However I DO try to keep them accountable IN MY classroom. That is a small chunk (relatively speaking) of students I can talk to and hand at a time. THIS is the biggest help for me. Myself.

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