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Oh McKinsey... not sure that being “online at 5:30am, but rarely after 9pm” counts as providing work-life balance to working mothers.

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Our conception of what WLB means has to change. Sadly, the back and forth in the comments suggests that many people are still stuck with the mindset that good WLB looks like a solid chunk of time worked on weekdays (the closer to 9-5 the better) and no weekend work. Few that will succeed will be able to achieve this. Not in Consulting for sure, and in the near future, increasingly not in industry. The changing nature of work will drive this.

To me, the total hours worked matters but much less than the flexibility to work when and where it’s most conducive. I think that’s what WLB should mean - having the flexibility to prioritize life activities that matters and adjust work timing and location to match. Should really be thought of as an optimization exercise, the objective function and optimum is different for each. I think that’s really the core of the McK posting and I applaud Joana for finding her optimum.

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The issue here is not changing the work behavior of women but those of men. If we want to grant women the same opportunity we should reduce the number of hours men are allowed to work. Read the book “why men earn more”. They work more hours, travel more and generally speaking are leveraging on their available time to compete. If you take men and women who are not married, have no child, are graduated and work full time women in the US are earning more than men. These are the aspects which need to be addressed in a company if you really want to grant equality of opportunities. Everyone has to work less so that working more will not be the selection criteria anymore. Forget all the other woke diversity games that corporation are advertising internally and in the market.

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AM1 - what evidence are you using to make that claim? My parents had 5 jobs between them, they worked all the time to make ends meet for me and my brothers. I was loved, nurtured and well-adjusted. My parents were there for me when it counted and an incredible work ethic and ability to prioritize a shit-ton of work were engrained in me from an early age. Not sure how we are punishing kids if this mom is making it work for her, and many others do too.

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She interviewed me in São Paulo and it was a 7:30 am slot, can confirm the “morning person” statement 😂

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Even within that, maybe she opted for / preferred the 7:30 slot to match her schedule?

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“I love my kids so much I leave my phone in another room when I give them a bath” lol

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I make sure to mute my calls during bath time. Real good balance

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I’m reading it as she often gets to do some early morning and bedtime things with her kids, so she’s not working straight from 5:30am-9pm but breaks for 1-2 hours at 7am or 6pm so that’s maybe 11-12 hours a day of work.

I actually don’t understand all the comments in this thread implying this is laughable. Based on my experience as a working mom, I feel like this is about as accommodating as I can expect. I know a lot of pregnant women or moms pulling 70 hour+ weeks, traveling 4 days a week, working on weekend mornings before the kids wake up. Have done enough of that myself too. Would be great if it were different but not holding my breath for things to change...

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^I know a bunch of folks who joined FAANG* strategy roles, and their life is similar to what BCG 11 is referencing.

Google consistently more so than the others, but beyond Amazon the w/l is usually better than MBB (with similar pay+prestige+exit opps)

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On the other hand, at least they’re being honest here. I’d hate to see a post that says “I log off at 7 every night and am on track to make partner!” Because that’s obviously not true.
Still, it is sad that this is what our advertising has come to...

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“At the highest levels” wow take it easy lol

This is so sad. The children in the photo look awfully young - working until 9 means forgoing family dinner, tucking in kiddos, reading bedtime stories. Poor kids When we die, we won’t regret working more, we will wish for more time with our family.

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D5. Someone has to be an advocate for the kids. Someone has to point out how important full time parents are for our society and our culture. Can’t let bullies like you silence us just because you think we’re being judgmental. Name calling and labeling does no one any good!

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As a father I'm annoyed with the onesidedness of these conversations. Working mothers need WLB. Working father? Nah...you don't need to see your kids and I'm sure your wife is totally cool with pretending like it's the 50s.

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This is great thank you for the comment. The biggest mistake I made as a new father last year was assuming my wife (who works full time not in consulting) should just do 90% of the baby stuff during the week so I could be in the office 12+ hours a day. My perspective has changed this year and I refuse to miss out on my child’s day to day and burden my wife like that. Best part is both the client and team have respected it.

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Notice that her syntax implies that her life previously was substantially worse before making partner. If you want to make Partner at McKinsey it takes working substantially longer hours

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I’d rather die than try to make partner at McK for that exact reason

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Some of the comments in there cheering on the example “women empowerment” by McKinsey 😂

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Trying too hard here....just own that family life is really not compatible. Trying to squeeze and calendar in a few ‘to do’s’ with the kids like dinner bath and bed is not achieving wlb.

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Guys - I am a mother and I do this type of schedule. What was left out was that you wake up early but then you are offline for portions of when they really matter to you - eg making breakfast getting them ready for school. When I work from home I pick up
Kids from school etc. consulting has allowed for a lot of flexibility . People who do not have children - maybe work different hours and use their downtime to do other activities - it’s no different - the point of the article is the flexibility to accommodate everyone’s priorities in their life

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This!!! Same!

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The ad does have poor optics. As a lowly Manager with a 1 year old (I’m the dad), I’m up around 7. Playtime and a diaper change until around 8. Get ready and head out to work. Roll up around 930. Duck out around 330 to make it home for a 430 walk with the baby. Do a couple hours in the evening and perhaps pull a v late night (1-2am) to catch up every so often.

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👋 I’m M6 - I was a Mgr when I made this post 33 weeks ago but since y’all have been talking about it, I have been promoted to D. It’s a little more intense at this grade but WLB is possible.

Arguably I have removed ringfences from my personal time (e.g. I work on the weekend if I have to), but it allows me to take advantage of as much time as possible during the week with my toddler.

It’s preference really. Some people need 48 hrs decompression as a mental break from work. I prefer to compartmentalize and switch on/off when I need to.

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I left because this is not how I want my life to be, but different people want different things. Besides, you really expect to make $1m+ working 9-5? And this isn’t exclusive to consulting, it’s a reality of almost any senior position. Looking at my bosses now in corporate, they also work evenings and weekends as senior execs.

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I’m sad that’s the stigma in all professional services. I look up to our leaders (CEO, COO, and President) for how they find balance and family time amidst all they are responsible for at work. Leaders set the standard and the culture.

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I bet her husband also bought her a Peloton bike for Christmas.

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You win.

It's a realistic expectation in Consulting. We each define what WLB means to us- the more examples out there, the more ideas people get for what works for them.

My schedule is similar- when I'm in town, I'm home for breakfast/dinner/bedtime and then back online for however long needed. I fully recognize the what works well for me may not work for others- and that's okay.

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Honestly, pretty surprised by the negative reactions.

I wonder if this was a male partner and father posting the same stats, would people be so critical?

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LinkedIn is pretty much the general public.

I agree with others that there is some honesty in this post/ad. What we don't see is the massive resources required just to support these working hours. There's probably a full time nanny, housekeeper, maybe even a driver (it's Brazil, domestic labor is inexpensive). All this to maintain a level of normalcy for family life. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it's worth acknowledging that a complex support system must be in place to even enable this level of work/life balance.

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To people like this, kids become just another “project” to show how well their life is put together and becomes another “achievement” to make them feel better about themselves. They are pursuing a happiness from empty things that they will never find. It’s so sad.

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That’s rather harsh ... I don’t agree

Am I the only one who thinks you earn WLB by proving yourself? Of course preventing burnout and making sure your people are performing their best is a top priority. To expect WLB you’ve got to demonstrate a track record of performance. This ain’t a 9-5 industry and the comp or benefits reflect as such

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It’s a pyramid scheme

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