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Deloitte question. I have always gotten a raise each year, the only question I ask is how much of a raise do I get. But I’m hearing from former Deloitte folks, it is naive to expect annual raises each year however small/big they are? And how does this play in Deloitte consulting vs advisory? Do one tend to withhold annual raises in base salary over the other, or is this just a deloitte culture thing? Looking at exit opportunities all over. So lmk! I’d Rather get a small raise than none at all.
Anyone at Deloitte know how to view utilization?
Forgot to turn on cabin pressure....
61% utilization as a first year associate. RIP
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I’m a “virtual hire” and I look forward to traveling oooooo so dark…. I knew what I was getting myself into getting into consulting so not sure what the “wake up call” is
Dude its not 2019 anymore. That life is dead
You sound like an absolutely delightful human being…
OP how do you get to have your opinions (pretty much hoping for new hires to experience your terrible past) and then call other people’s opinions passive-aggressive? Come on mate
40% of U.S. Deloitte consulting is new within a year… these people have done nothing but virtual work. I’m talking about the 4:30am Monday morning alarm to grab your suitcase and get to the airport, the flight delays, the Ubers/Lyfts, the airport/hotel points, living out of a hotel, working out of a team room with no windows for 10 hours a day, the panic as you finish a deck while walking to the client meeting room, doing 30+ expenses every week, etc..
This post is the reason people hate consultants. You’re not better or smarter or more effective because of grind culture.
That honestly should not be something that you should be proud of imo lol
Travelled for 6 months before the pandemic as a 2019 grad. Today was my last day at ACN at the thought of going back to it
Actually, employers will get a wake up call if they push too hard
I’d be pretty happy to take any top performers from Accenture, offer them hybrid/ mostly wfh with practically the same pay as they had before and save myself the trouble of finding experienced technical talent when big tech is taking all the best ones.
Its easy pickings at this point.
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Who's going back to traveling every week? Most places have confirmed only on an as-needed basis and I haven't come across any clients willing to pay the premium for consistent on site work.
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What if…… maybe not every team needs to travel every week……. Sure if u want to, go for it. Go make your cute little sales pitches in your fancy suits to the offices of your clients who have their engineering employees wfh.
You can have fun little coffee breaks with the other sales employees with their fancy MBAs and explain to all the people in the office how you’re not going to cut their jobs cuz U see their sparkling faces. Meanwhile the people actually building shit aren’t there to chit chat with you unless you book a zoom meeting with them.
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E1, distribution (sales, gtm, marketing) is as important as building. The ‘oh I’m a builder I’m superior’ attitude is really off-putting. Am for example, an enterprise product, say Salesforce, needs engineers to build, product people to identify what to build, marketing people to communicate the value proposition at scale, sales people to sell into individual accounts and consultants to implement. If you think engineering is the be all end all you are severely mistaken.
Is OP this guy from the 2010s consulting movie with George clooney?
If that’s the life we go back to, I’m definitely quitting. Literally no reason we need to work like that
Since the pandemic, travel is much more sustainable. 4 days a week at a client site is dead. Travel is mostly for collocation and connectivity — mid-day during the week and only when it’s fun 🥳
This sounds like an opportune time to remind you that our health insurance covers therapy :) But in all sincerity, I'll be interested to see how many clients even want to go back to paying to have consultants on-site; for whatever growing pains there have been, money talks and saving serious money is how we wound up with talent models like USDC whose growth is outpacing core.
Absolutely, AC2. If I'm being very honest I don't think many businesses built on office staff will last much longer if they try to force employees back; it's a spineless attempt at a control tactic and any seasoned professional worth their salt won't be bullied into working at an office if they don't want to.
1. Hybrid working confirmed by most of the companies afaik
2. Clients realised we can still do the work without the price tag of also paying for hotel and travel
3. Everybody with a family aka majority of senior management appreciates the wfh even if they are a bit more gung-ho up about travel and in person stuff nobody is saying we’re going back to what we had before
4. The “new joiners” are up to two years with the business now and pretty comfortable with saying no. The market is also great for labour right now.
5. I’ve mostly only seen the directors and senior management travel to clients when there is a client that demands it. It saves money for the projects.
6. The engineers and others who actually do work at clients are overwhelmingly wfh, no point going there just to talk to them on zoom.
I’m not going to go into your mentality, I’m just calling into question that there’s practically no proof for most teams and people that we’ll go back to what we had before.
Honestly to me it just sounds like you’re frustrated or annoyed that your old way of working you enjoy is not going to come back unless you can somehow push it onto new joiners on your team and they won’t just leave you hanging. You’re probably having difficulty corralling the resources for your projects you’re trying to run in the old fashioned way and venting here.
What wake up call? My team decided since no traveling we can start at 5am to appease European timezones and stay on until others log on. I rather be located in the timezone we are working instead of juggling multiple
Ya that’s tough
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Ya it’ll be fun for two weeks
I did the Monday - Thursday shuffle every week for 20 years before Covid. Then zero travel for 16 months from March 2020 - July 2021. Then occasional travel through November 2021. Since then it's been a consistent once per month to the client. I can live with this level of travel but no way can I go back to every week.
As much as you want to fetishise this, it’s not going back to how it was.
What’s dark is your inability to create a meaningful life outside of work. OP really thought this was creative except it only exposed their self worth being tied to those “oh so grueling consulting hours, woe is me”. This post is giving pick me vibes
I’m not paying for consultants to fly in to be in a dark room anymore. Don’t traveling to be the cause of divorces 😁
More like the absolute wake-up call that employees like you are gonna get when traveling every week doesn't happen lol.
As a virtual hire, I would look forward to more travel (that's half the benefit of consulting), but also it's simply not necessary. If a company / project makes it necessary, any virtual hire that doesn't want to travel will either leave the project or the company, that simple.
Clients have realized that travel is expensive and (mostly) not necessary.
Firms have realized that travel is expensive and (mostly) not necessary.
Who's the one actually in need of a wake-up call? Perhaps someone who thinks this is a "dark" post ... hear the alarm and wake-up :-D
Naw I’ll just leave and go get a real industry job like I had before ;)