Ok dark post here but is anyone else excited to see the absolute wake up call these virtual hires are going to get as we go back to traveling every week lol

likefunnysmart
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at
Highlighted IconHIGHLIGHTED

I’m a “virtual hire” and I look forward to traveling oooooo so dark…. I knew what I was getting myself into getting into consulting so not sure what the “wake up call” is

like

Dude its not 2019 anymore. That life is dead

likefunnysmart

You sound like an absolutely delightful human being…

likefunnysmart

OP how do you get to have your opinions (pretty much hoping for new hires to experience your terrible past) and then call other people’s opinions passive-aggressive? Come on mate

like
Recent IconRecent

40% of U.S. Deloitte consulting is new within a year… these people have done nothing but virtual work. I’m talking about the 4:30am Monday morning alarm to grab your suitcase and get to the airport, the flight delays, the Ubers/Lyfts, the airport/hotel points, living out of a hotel, working out of a team room with no windows for 10 hours a day, the panic as you finish a deck while walking to the client meeting room, doing 30+ expenses every week, etc..

likesmartfunnyupliftinghelpful

This post is the reason people hate consultants. You’re not better or smarter or more effective because of grind culture.

like

That honestly should not be something that you should be proud of imo lol

likefunny

Travelled for 6 months before the pandemic as a 2019 grad. Today was my last day at ACN at the thought of going back to it

Actually, employers will get a wake up call if they push too hard

like

I’d be pretty happy to take any top performers from Accenture, offer them hybrid/ mostly wfh with practically the same pay as they had before and save myself the trouble of finding experienced technical talent when big tech is taking all the best ones.

Its easy pickings at this point.

Who's going back to traveling every week? Most places have confirmed only on an as-needed basis and I haven't come across any clients willing to pay the premium for consistent on site work.

likesmart

Me

upliftinglike

What if…… maybe not every team needs to travel every week……. Sure if u want to, go for it. Go make your cute little sales pitches in your fancy suits to the offices of your clients who have their engineering employees wfh.

You can have fun little coffee breaks with the other sales employees with their fancy MBAs and explain to all the people in the office how you’re not going to cut their jobs cuz U see their sparkling faces. Meanwhile the people actually building shit aren’t there to chit chat with you unless you book a zoom meeting with them.

🤔💭💡

likeupliftingfunny

E1, distribution (sales, gtm, marketing) is as important as building. The ‘oh I’m a builder I’m superior’ attitude is really off-putting. Am for example, an enterprise product, say Salesforce, needs engineers to build, product people to identify what to build, marketing people to communicate the value proposition at scale, sales people to sell into individual accounts and consultants to implement. If you think engineering is the be all end all you are severely mistaken.

like

Is OP this guy from the 2010s consulting movie with George clooney?

likefunny

If that’s the life we go back to, I’m definitely quitting. Literally no reason we need to work like that

like

Since the pandemic, travel is much more sustainable. 4 days a week at a client site is dead. Travel is mostly for collocation and connectivity — mid-day during the week and only when it’s fun 🥳

like

This sounds like an opportune time to remind you that our health insurance covers therapy :) But in all sincerity, I'll be interested to see how many clients even want to go back to paying to have consultants on-site; for whatever growing pains there have been, money talks and saving serious money is how we wound up with talent models like USDC whose growth is outpacing core.

likefunny

Absolutely, AC2. If I'm being very honest I don't think many businesses built on office staff will last much longer if they try to force employees back; it's a spineless attempt at a control tactic and any seasoned professional worth their salt won't be bullied into working at an office if they don't want to.

like

1. Hybrid working confirmed by most of the companies afaik
2. Clients realised we can still do the work without the price tag of also paying for hotel and travel
3. Everybody with a family aka majority of senior management appreciates the wfh even if they are a bit more gung-ho up about travel and in person stuff nobody is saying we’re going back to what we had before
4. The “new joiners” are up to two years with the business now and pretty comfortable with saying no. The market is also great for labour right now.
5. I’ve mostly only seen the directors and senior management travel to clients when there is a client that demands it. It saves money for the projects.
6. The engineers and others who actually do work at clients are overwhelmingly wfh, no point going there just to talk to them on zoom.

I’m not going to go into your mentality, I’m just calling into question that there’s practically no proof for most teams and people that we’ll go back to what we had before.

Honestly to me it just sounds like you’re frustrated or annoyed that your old way of working you enjoy is not going to come back unless you can somehow push it onto new joiners on your team and they won’t just leave you hanging. You’re probably having difficulty corralling the resources for your projects you’re trying to run in the old fashioned way and venting here.

likefunny

What wake up call? My team decided since no traveling we can start at 5am to appease European timezones and stay on until others log on. I rather be located in the timezone we are working instead of juggling multiple

like

Ya that’s tough

like

F traveling

likesmart

Ya it’ll be fun for two weeks

like

I did the Monday - Thursday shuffle every week for 20 years before Covid. Then zero travel for 16 months from March 2020 - July 2021. Then occasional travel through November 2021. Since then it's been a consistent once per month to the client. I can live with this level of travel but no way can I go back to every week.

like

As much as you want to fetishise this, it’s not going back to how it was.

like

What’s dark is your inability to create a meaningful life outside of work. OP really thought this was creative except it only exposed their self worth being tied to those “oh so grueling consulting hours, woe is me”. This post is giving pick me vibes

like

I’m not paying for consultants to fly in to be in a dark room anymore. Don’t traveling to be the cause of divorces 😁

likefunnyuplifting

More like the absolute wake-up call that employees like you are gonna get when traveling every week doesn't happen lol.

As a virtual hire, I would look forward to more travel (that's half the benefit of consulting), but also it's simply not necessary. If a company / project makes it necessary, any virtual hire that doesn't want to travel will either leave the project or the company, that simple.

Clients have realized that travel is expensive and (mostly) not necessary.

Firms have realized that travel is expensive and (mostly) not necessary.

Who's the one actually in need of a wake-up call? Perhaps someone who thinks this is a "dark" post ... hear the alarm and wake-up :-D

like

Naw I’ll just leave and go get a real industry job like I had before ;)

like

Related Posts

Anyone find discounted hotel gift cards?

like

Any insider knowledge of EY modifying the frequent traveler program policy now that most travel will be reduced?

like

Travel opportunities for functional consultant in D365 at PwC AC and shift allowances?

like

Working as a Senior Accountant at Vanguard with my CPA; 3 YOE, Greater Philadelphia area. Took this job to give accounting one more try and while I don’t regret it I’m bored. Anything in finance more challenging/less box-checking? People have recommended public but I’m not interested in audit/tax or travel.

Currently looking to get back into the Job Market after a layoff in May. I have Been consulting on temp basic but looking to get back into employment full time. I have about 20 years of experience in Technology Infrastructure, Security, Cloud, and Fintech solutions. Any pointers will be welcome. I am seeking, remote, and location-based Jobs. I am open to working in the African Region or in the United States (I don't require any visa assistance)

like

Do folks have trusted/valuable resources for researching luxury family travel with young kids? I don’t care the cost, I want to know what is most convenient and nice for my family. Feel like generally most resources are geared to either a) families on a budget (I don’t care which hotel is best bang for buck w/mid breakfast) or b) couples / adults only travelers. Do folks just stick to true five star hotel concierges for help? Do folks just book luxury tours like A&K? How do folks research?

like

Hi all, I’m planning to take my first exam in NY. I’m hesitating to take it 1-2 days right before the day of my flight (going on PTO) is it risky ? I know some people got their seat cancelled by Prometric. What are your thoughts ? Thanks

like

Best Marriott property in or within 15m of downtown Houston?

What are the relocation benefits at Target india.For how many days hotel stay is provided,is it like 4 star or 5 star?

like

Dating SO for 7 months. Where is a nice place to travel together from NYC for a week off at the end of August?

like

Looking at Puerto Rico in May. Where should we stay? We’re a couple in our late 30s, no kids. The St Regis and Dorado are too expensive. Have seen the Marriott Stellaris, Courtyard Isla Verde, and Renaissance. Want beachfront VS city center.

like

Hello! I have a Marriott free room voucher expiring in June worth 35k points. I would like to sell it. The card I get it from is 95$ per year so I would take that if it sounds fair.

funny

Hello, I have received an offer from Southwest Airlines as a Associate Technology Analyst with their direct college hire program. Will be graduating in May with a degree in MIS and also have internships experience as a Business Systems analyst intern. The salary compensation started off at 66,500 but was looking for the 75k range and they got back to me saying the best they can do is 68,500. They also have a 401k company match up to 9.3%. Do you think this is a solid offer for this job market?

like

Anyone currently working at the Delta Air Lines office in Bangalore? I have an offer for Lead Developer 1 from there and wanted some feedback from someone currently working there.

like

Marriott ambassador - think I can get a discount for renting out a conference room at a hotel? Just want to know if it’s even worth asking

McKinsey & Company McKinsey and BCG consultants: how impactful would the difference between the two firm's flight policies (>90 mins business class for BCG vs >3.5hrs for McK) be to one's experience as a consultant? Do McK folks usually end up getting upgraded anyways as your flight status increases? Do BCG folk feel that the first-class perk provides them with a significantly better travel experience? Would love your thoughts :)

Boston Consulting Group McKinsey & Company

likefunny

Hi All,

I have a managerial round(maybe the last round) tomorrow with Delta Air Lines. Can you let me know what package should I ask the hiring manager?

Experience: 6.6 years

Tech Stack: Java, AWS, Spring Boot, Kubernetes

The role I had Interviewed for -> Lead Developer - AWS

Also how good is Delta Airlines in this Recession Period? what are the benefits we get? And is it WFH or 3 days Office in a week?

Thank you

like

Sit down and the crew asks "Would you like water or champagne? Ah... Champagne, thank you!

That's the way to start your flight. ❤️

Post Photo
likefunny

Question for moms. I’m getting married next year and have several close family members that will have babies ages 8-11 months old by then. What are some ways I can support the moms and make it an enjoyable experience for them? We have a separate room at the venue that I was thinking could be offered to the parents to use, or potentially hiring a babysitter for them (either at the venue or back at the hotel). I would love for the families to be able to come, as it is out of town.

like

Could any marriott employee share a friend and family form? I'll return the favor :)

More Posts

I’m traveling to NYC for business next month. First time meeting people in person at my new company, it’s a FinTech company, that I’m starting with in two weeks. I live in FL and really confused about what I should plan to wear, including shoes. My last company was pretty casual plus I haven’t seen work people like 1.5 years. Welcome any suggestions - thank you!!

like

Hey anyone work in house for a brand? If yes how do you work with the brand team? Is creative a part of the brand team or works along side it? I’d love to hear!

like

Any Accenture Strategy M&A 🐠 willing to chat or give tips on ways to prep for case study? First round this week. Not sure what to expect or how to prepare

Wordle 307 3/6

⬛⬛⬛⬛🟩
⬛⬛🟩⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

like

If biglaw makes so much money, why dont most partners retire at like 50?

like

Dumped all coins before the big drop today except OMG and AST. Feeling good. Going to take investment and put profits into LTC and BTC ( later move to alts. Thinking req and maybe xlm if low enough)..

like

What's BDO AND RMS Offering in India to TCII AND ACTING SENIORS ?

like

Hey all! New here but hoping someone could offer advise or a connection. I’m looking for a Customer Success Lead role. Not looking for sales roles. I’m looking to hire/develop/lead a support team etc. I’m struggling to find what I’m looking for or I’m not hearing back. If you know if any roles or have a connection please let me know. ☹️😭

like

Dear Fishes,

Is it a good idea to switch from SAP Functional consultant role with 7 yrs of experience to SAP service delivery?

Got a role as Manager- SAP Service Delivery in AstraZeneca.

Appreciate if someone could throw some lights on the roles and responsibilities of SAP service delivery. Thanks in advance.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but I have a few former classmates and colleagues sweating over lateral interviews. Take a deep breath and relax.

First, doing these interviews does not define you as a person.

Second, take it one day at a time; if they are moving forward, they see something in you.

Third, remember that the people interviewing you are human beings. Connect with them, be personable.

like

How do you prepare for the role of technical architect? What kind of preparation do we need on daily basis?

like

I came from cts last month, I decided to go back @CTS. Let me know, when I can join cts once came out

like

Looking for suggestions on sleep training guides, books, videos, blogs etc. for infants. Internet has plethora of information. I can’t figure what to follow.

like

Larsen & Toubro Infotech What is the maximum distance can we get cab facility in ltiLarsen & Toubro Infotech

like

I feel bad not doing work over the weekend when I was planning to, but sometimes I really just need some good ass self care and that means erasing work from my mind for two days

like

Sales force effectiveness

United GPU Gurus - What is the best and cheapest way to ensure GPU? I have read that some fare classes (pretty much any economy fare) do not qualify and the ones that do (premium economy) are pricey.

I'd like to move from operations into AML/KYC. Which qualifications could I do that are widely recognised in the UK?

like

Additional Posts in Consulting

Deloitte question. I have always gotten a raise each year, the only question I ask is how much of a raise do I get. But I’m hearing from former Deloitte folks, it is naive to expect annual raises each year however small/big they are? And how does this play in Deloitte consulting vs advisory? Do one tend to withhold annual raises in base salary over the other, or is this just a deloitte culture thing? Looking at exit opportunities all over. So lmk! I’d Rather get a small raise than none at all.

like

How do you assert dominance to a client and persuade them your work is legit/correct when they aren't willing to take the time to read it? 23yrold.

like
like

Left consulting for medical school a year ago and popping in cuz fb said they'd deactivate my account. How's it going, y'all?

likefunny

Anyone at Deloitte know how to view utilization?

like

I recently started at Big 4 and I am aware that my coach is not that great. What should I do? I really want to climb as high as I can at Big 4 but understand that having a good coach is essential

likefunny

I am desperate to get out of my current firm. Would it be worth it to reach out to my alma mater's alumni network? Not sure how much it'll actually help considering I only have one year of experience and not many companies are hiring atm...

like

Grant Thornton 🗣🗣‼️‼️‼️

Post Photo
likefunny

I have federal school loans totaling 86000 with an average interest of 5% and currently on a income based loan repayment plan. Should I refinance with a private company and get a 2% interest instead?

like

Networking/LinkedIn question: Do you feel like you are the one who always reaches out to people on LinkedIn to stay in touch and build your network?
I'm always on the look out for my next opportunity or passively job searching. To that end, I believe in staying connected with my network through out the year and not randomly approaching them for a position/opening. However, at times, it feels the communication is coerced and there is a lack of rapport. Anyone else struggle with this? Thanks!

like

Forgot to turn on cabin pressure....

Post Photo
likefunny

new york marriot marquis..if only not because the SPG points, this will be my go to hotel. amazing space, seems the lounge is also good

like

Anyone in SF bay area who got solar done for their home?

like

Looking for Data Analytics referrals in EY /Deloitte /KPMG . Please let me know if there are relevant openings in your team. I have 54 months of experience. Currently working with PwC . Tier 1 MBA

like

Ideally, at what level would a person with a SW Engineering degree, 3 years industry experience, 2 years MBA and 2 years Consulting experience be?

like

When your boss tells you to create a project plan without much context (boss is super busy). Should I create a slide for it? Or should I use an excel?

like

61% utilization as a first year associate. RIP

like

For health advisory, what’s the range for sc and manager at ey?

like

Is it safe to hide the fact that I was part of a group layoff and say instead that I chose to leave? Can recruiters find out the truth from my former employer and hurt my chances?

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Send download link to your phone

OR

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.

Messaging rates may apply

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal