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What's DEI initiative? Appointing a token individual to a Chief Diversity Officer role and making them report to the CEO? And then plastering the social media with posts about how great of a progress that is? Show business doesn't fix societal problems
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D1, a colleague of mine - an exceptionally smart Zambian immigrant to this country, whose work ethics, quality and knowledge I can vouch for, has been waiting for a simple promotion to a manager level for 4 years. Despite the company's recent appointment and hiring of Black candidates to senior roles including the Chief Diversity Officer who reports to the CEO, not an ounce of change has been made to understand where the discrepancy really lies. That one token person makes a big fat paycheck, takes a few photos every other day, posts them on LinkedIn and it's all a "sun is shining bright. let's rejoice" moment at the company. Meanwhile, this woman (and another Zimbabwean woman colleague) both have had their struggles gone unnoticed and unattended. Both have opened up to me about their challenges. I, as a senior member of the group, have voiced their concerns in meetings attended by senior executives more than once. Crickets! It's just an example that I have seen with my own eyes. Plenty more like this that exist everywhere. The appointment of that individual to a C level role will make absolutely no difference to the issues persisting at the root level. Unless you call the payboost that that one token appointee got as a progress/positive outcome. No one is getting fooled by these gimmicks.
You assume the criticism isn’t intentionally trying to achieve that outcome
Chief
This. Saying that DEI is often lip service is a fairly accurate portrayal, but if you care to improve it the critique wouldn’t be about wokeness. By using that terminology, it’s clear that a person thinks the whole concept is bs.
DEI initiatives at all consulting firms are a joke. Hiring a rich minority kid from HBS is doing nothing to actually solve the structural issues that lead to inequality.
If companies truly cared, they would be investing in educational programs at inner city schools, guaranteeing internships if high schoolers manage to hit a certain GPA threshold (could be a 3.5), and educating these students about what consulting is and why it’s a viable career path.
But of course that takes money and carries a lot of risk, so instead they’ll keep hiring rich minority kids and claim that they’re making a difference.
I'm not SC1, but a good friend at Wharton told me that in a recent class, just one international student who did a first round with Bain got a final round interview (whereas they had been 30% of first round interviewees). All international students were interviewed by the same pair of interviewers (could have been an effort to control bias, but not a happy result). And my friend (from India) was told by an older classmate that "Bain doesn't hire Indians."
This is just one anecdote, but it doesn't say great things. Were all of the international students interviewing with Bain at Wharton, that much worse than everyone else?! I suppose it's possible, but it doesn't look good.
I've heard this also extends to Bain's lower efforts in terms of visa sponsorship, but can't speak to that firsthand. Bain did hire one Indian from my school, but not nearly as many int'l student offers as McK or BCG.
Chief
One the one hand, you have wokies who are toxic, intellectually reductive, and actively destructive to changing minds and creating effective change.
On the other, you have mealy DEI initiatives which use light-skinned, curly-haired Black women in half their ads and send out a newsletter every few months as a token, but unproductive gesture.
The answer is somewhere in the middle
Chief
“One the one hand we have Newsmax and the other we have Fox News, and the answer is somewhere in the middle” 😂
Rising Star
If you apply a filter you dont get best talent, you get best talent with a feature.
Diversity is a excuse to get the same with less effort.
Want to be a diversity advocate? go to saudi arabia or pakistan.
We could get as many dimensions as we want to dice and slice and force "equal results" out of non equal inputs. Wokies are too comfy with race, gender (whatever it means), or sexual orientation, but we could include cultural background, age, city of origin, food preferences, favorite sport color or music, baldness, ability to imitate a seal...
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Yes. Because "before" non white kids did not attend top universities, nor any university, thus they werent top talent.
Now universities and useful degrees are flooded with asians, and specially STEM grads have a huge reprensentation of asians (inside and outside of america), thus most of the tech talent is asian.
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Well when you have people like the OP in the below thread running DEI initiatives it's no wonder they are being conflated. https://joinfishbowl.com/post_vehfdxjebr
It would help to define “Woke”, define DEI, and specify the measurements in terms of business results that are expected.
DEI in starfleet is out of control
Chief
> Fox News
> Opinion
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It’s pure wokeness. DEI basically means making it easier for certain groups while oppressing others.
Tell me you watch Fox News without telling me you do..
Ego in this era is YUGE.. that’s the problem
Because DIE initiatives never look at what people think, only where they land on a color swatch or how many checkboxes they have. They might be well intentioned but making EVERYTHING about what you are and not who you are is the exact opposite of where we were trying to go.
Folks - I said “shut down” on purpose. There’s nothing with folks criticizing for chasing them to make it more real. My stated risk is about the extreme…chill. Y’all so excitable