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1) the source isn’t the SCOTUS. It’s from the brief presented by SFFA to the SCOTUS
2) it’s intentionally alarmist to post percentages instead of the actual number of admits (as well as # of applicants) which paints the true picture
3) Also interested to see breakdown by gender as white women are the largest beneficiaries of affirmative action
I am most certainly not assuming they are using the same denominator, not sure where you are getting that from. I’m also unsure exactly what you think is wrong with what is being presented in the table - on the data itself, not any moral conclusions you speculate people will make
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Assuming this image is attempting to depict Harvard undergrad admissions and taken out of context, it’s probably less relevant to MBA admissions but it can illustrate two points.
1) admission to programs depends on more than simply grades and test scores. There are some countries/schools with different approaches of course. While these statistics are easily aggregated, they are insufficient on their own.
2) Speaking of insufficiency (cue dad jokes about GMAT data sufficiency), this table does not show the number of applicants by total or race. If there were an equal number of applicants from each race, it would seem the average “all applicants” column admitted would be closer to 29% for the 10th decile. The races/ethnicity with >31% admit rate are likely underrepresented in application numbers. Pipeline programs are trying to minimize this systemic gap both at undergrad and grad level.
Probably not, or the overall mean would be lower than the mean between Asian and white applicants’.
To simplify the math (someone smarter than me check my logic here): given equal numbers of white and Asian applicants (and for the purposes of this example, no other applicants), if the admit rate for white applicants is 15%, and for Asian applicants 12%, the overall mean is 13.5%.
We can reasonably infer from the overall mean given in that table that there are…
a) many more white applicants than any other racial category (as the overall mean is closest to their admit rate v. any other group’s)
And…
b) a sufficient number of Asian applicants that the higher admit rates of underrepresented minorities are outweighed by Asian applicants’ lower rate — as the overall mean admission rate comes out *below the white applicants’ rate*.
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White people are overrepresented in the class considering hbs is a global program
Coach
With that in mind, white people are actually underrepresented. US is 59% non Hispanic white
Coach
Think the bigger issue is people getting in with unfair advantages like donations/legacy etc.
Source:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-harvard-finds-43-percent-white-students-are-legacy-athletes-n1060361#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16674839578327&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fnews%2Fus-news%2Fstudy-harvard-finds-43-percent-white-students-are-legacy-athletes-n1060361
Actually my assumption is that having a wealthy and powerful family will correlate with better educational outcomes regardless of whether that’s through a legacy pathway. Someone with resources will have the ability to pay for tutoring and specialized high school offerings. Even public schools show stronger curricula when located in affluent areas. Getting rid of legacy admissions isn’t going to improve the chances of truly disadvantaged students gaining access. Even if a situation results where 90% of a school is AA then it’s just going to be the wealthier AA displaying the poorer AA.
I mean, if these arguments win and it’s based on test scores and gpa, most of these classes should be made up of 90%+ Asian students
Fair is fair
How are academic deciles ranked?
Based on test scores and GPA
Coach
Is the academic decile number across all groups? Or the decile for that group?
I guess I’m curious to see how much pipeline there is in the top deciles by group…
Safe to say all groups..only way the math works
Does it rank by gender as well?
Coach
Wild that 0.5% of people in the 2nd academic decile get in…
That’s what I was thinking
This is misleading. The bottom decile at Harvard is still the top 95% nation wide . It’s like comparing an NBA player to an average joe.
Coach
These aren’t deciles at Harvard. They’re deciles of applicants.
So it’s actually like comparing the top 5% of applicants - who got into Harvard - to the next highest 25% of Harvard applicants.
All of my Ivy interviewers said “we could take 3-4 classes of students with no meaningful decrease in applicant quality”. If differences are marginal, the question is why the social engineering harms Asians disproportionately. That’s what the Supreme Court case is all about.