Partners - what do you look in a Manager that tells you hes ready for SM promotion?

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Have I crushed their soul, hopes and dreams. Will they sell anything. Issue anything. How fast will they take the blame for something that is my fault? Have they bought a house they can't afford?

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I mean since you took the time to ask I’ll kind of be honest. I think the difference between manager and senior manager is not that great. I mean staff to senior senior to manager or SM to partner - big change. Mgr to SM - not so much. So I would say at ey (in most service lines if not all) it’s just a progression you make after 3 years. Good senior manager tho I would say is someone who is starting to become face of the firm to the client and fields their questions on all things. Seen by team as a leader. Good quality no economic surprises. Good communicator. Lot of jargon there but hopefully clear. Lmk if not

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Pwc - sexist much. She’s can make senior manager too. I mean it’s just fishbowl but unconscious bias much

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And here I just want to become a senior.. lol.

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Progression to SM isn’t just a thing. You need to prove you can sell work and have a business case to get the promo. You don’t just automatically move to SM

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Sr managers are guys who are willing to push all of their client work to someone else and then sell more work. He is the one who is going to spend the next few years taking the partners crap and being a yes man because he also wants to be partner. He also makes good money so don't feel too bad for him though.

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I disagree with EY2. The jump from manager to SM is a big one if you are actually being held to a true SM level. In my group, it is highly competitive to get there as we don’t have enough spots for all and it is absolutely not just progression. What do I look for?

1) Leadership qualities. Do you have it? Do your team, your client and your peers view you as a leader? Do they respect you? Do they want to work with you? Can you make tough decisions? Can you have hard conversations? I do ask for input from those who work for and side by side with an individual before I will back their promotion to SM.

2) Business acumen. Do you understand the business side of our firm. How we make money? Can you make smart decision on staffing, leverage, expenses?

3) Do you believe in EY? Do you believe in and support leadership and leadership’s vision?

4) Are you PPED material?

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Progression to SM isn’t just a thing. You need to prove you can sell work and have a business case to get the promo. You don’t just automatically move to SM

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He’s been a manager for 3 years

Is 3 years typical for manager? It’s hard to know the “average"

The manager is making my life easier. Doing research, supervising staff, building relationships with the client so they don’t need to call me for everything or asking where the team is?!?

EY4 please define what constitutes good money

Thanks EY 5, can you please elaborate PPED material? Being a minority i find it hard to fit into the "Bro" culture in my team (11 out of 13 PPEDs are white men, 2 white females) but i have been a top performer throughout my tenure with EY

I’ll answer: you live and embody the firms values. You work with integrity and respect and love to team. You care about the development of our people and investment in them. You care about the success of our business and invest in that. And you demonstrate the ability to succeed (not all the time but often) in all of these dimensions.

And of course the table stakes to the conversation: you and your teams produce quality work.

Ey5 - maybe because of different service lines but def progression in my service line. And PPED potential is not discussed when evaluating and ranking managers looking to be promoted

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