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Point blank: if you want to join a tech firm, please prepare to get (at least somewhat) technical. This “how do make $300k at FAANG using only PowerPoint “ is getting old

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Ok sounds reasonable. I don't think Microsoft lacks technical though; it hires ex-consultants for structure, pace, and thought processes. Should you need to understand what a packet header is in an IP routing network, or how SSL encrypts data over the web? No, it's unlikely to add a lot of value to delivery. What we do need, is technical SREs who can translate business goals into DevOps backlogs in a meaningful way

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Agree with your nuance here. 👍

One complication in this discussion is that us consultants all know someone from college or business school who was a history major and sat next to us making the same consulting slides for 4 years and somehow landed a product manager role at FAANG/similar despite lacking tech skills more advanced than vlookup. So while we appreciate that tech skills help, we know first hand that they aren't universally mandatory. For this reason, we keep looking for a role like what our friend got, despite them being rare.

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Yeah, def not. Understand algos, but have no clue about architecture or security.

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OP is your team hiring? I can use PowerPoint AND excel soooo 😤

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Is there any job that use PP but not excel? How do you even get things to put on slides? Just experts’ opinions ?

It’s been done with some regularity though in bizops and even product management

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Not sure if you guys were ever consultants so in case you weren't... the forced buy-in on the value of powerpoint is literally insane. I never touched powerpoint before I was a consultant; thought it was worthless and fluffy. Why not present a table in Excel so you can manipulate it live? Rerun calculations or produce new ones in real time? Quickly produce a pivot? Etc etc etc. Been in consulting for a year and realized I've subconsciously started thinking it's incredibly important and useful because it is just shoved down our throats day in and day out... everything has to be a deck... your analysis is worthless unless made into a pretty slide. But reading this just confirms what I believed before. It's typical consulting fluffy bs. God I hate this industry. Help!

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I think a lot of people are trying to figure out what skill set is considered "technical". It will be very helpful if someone can define it for non-technical folks, is knowing SDLC technical, writing SQL technical, or do you actually have to know coding with either python, java or c++, etc?

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Someone else mentioned something profund in a different channel on this topic. When it comes to any decision you make - you need to be able to explain 3-4 levels deep on why you made a certain choice. What were your alternatives, how does each choice impact your desired goal, etc. Also...the big one that gets most people is that they write their resume in a way where they come across as a tool / instrument and not a problem solver.

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I make $550k and I use only PPT. Google Slides actually.

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Go to market

Just started at FAANG and will be making somewhat close to $300K. I have no technical knowledge whatsoever (to be blunt, I don’t know what product architecture is) but hoping to learn about it on the job. I don’t see how this is very different from my consulting engagements where a lot of times, I had no clue what the client exactly does.

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Can confirm - I haven’t made a single deck since joining. We have generic decks that we can walk through that are standardized but most of my time is answering product questions in depth. You can def learn the product knowledge on the job, but I haven’t seen any customer that is sold by how great a deck is.

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Consulting slides are (to their credit) much better and much more time consuming. I use 3-5 decks which I spend 15 minutes customizing for a client in between calls. As a consultant I had entire strategy engagements which a 50 page PowerPoint was one of the main outputs

"How technical is technical enough?" Is something that doesn't get enough attention. Of what I will call FAANGMULASA (FAANG plus Microsoft, Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, Salesforce, Adobe), Amazon seems to have the lowest technical bar for getting a product manager role, and Google the highest. I don't know where the others might fall on a spectrum from Amazon to Google. Does anyone have ideas?

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P1, that is pretty much what I envisioned. Amazon would be off by itself on the line, with others clustered closer to G. I've heard that some nontechnical product marketing managers at Microsoft and Facebook perform essentially product management roles sometimes, and they can switch over to PM from those roles, but this switch is somewhat uncommon and is based on internal relationships and trust more than an interview process.

To elaborate: - none of this means you cant look to learn on the job. Nobody knows our whole stack, and even if you did it changes every year. I more object to the consultants who aren’t willing to learn and believe value creation happens in PowerPoint - most product mgmt roles are technical, you need to show ability to work with product & engineering, not just “tech strategy” - S&O needs familiarity with product. At MSFT, I see a ton of low code / no code being leveraged by these groups. - Support functions (HR, Finance) are likely your best bet. But note 300k remark- don’t expect to be paid the same as those fluent with the tech

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I’m a senior cyber risk consultant at Deloitte working with federal clients. Before that I have 3 years in the commercial space working on cyber risk strategy, cyber risk assessments for companies. I like this idea above of willingness to learn, our team uses some PowerPoint but mostly we are doing the actual work, working with the client. It’s given me a background of understanding the technical side, bridging the gap between our SMEs and our clients. Do you know of any opportunities at Microsoft for cyber roles?

If someone wants to learn technology to get into biz ops roles and didn’t get an opportunity to work with tech firms before, what/how would you recommend them to build the required knowledge. What specific areas would you like them to learn and how can one demonstrates passion. For reference, they have a technical bent with a non -CS engineering background.

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100% agree with everything Msft1 said. Hopefully we were congruent

It may be getting old, but it’s not going away. There are 2x maybe even 3x the number of jobs which don’t need “technical “ Skills. Zoom out a bit and you will come to same conclusion.

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Two interesting observations I have seen recently 1. Non technical leads that we have tried recently are not doing well. Other teams are not seeing their value - so they are not being brought into projects. Top people are not joining their teams. This does not bode well for their career 2. The people that are doing really well are the ones that have a combination of deep business skills and good tech skills. I have not seen the level of biz skills required to succeed consistently coming from consultants

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But I am very technical. Specialty is Software Engineering, but I get turned down at FAANG every time... Makes me feel like I am broken. I am not sure if it is because I have been playing TechLead for a few years

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@mckinz there is a former Google recruiter in YouTube. You should reach out and do a 1 on 1 coaching class with him. Also try to establish a relationship with someone in the practice you are trying to apply to. Get their take on your resume. If they say your resume is ok then it means you are actually not explaining how to got to your answer well enough.

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One of the most resourceful posts that i have come across lately - thanks OP! The challenge is how you define technical? Would you be able to translate design decisions to different audience groups in a language that they understand. How would you do that if you don’t understand solution nuances - that’s the level of tech required and can be different for different roles.

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The above question is what I would expect from any consultant or cloud engineer. ------ Your second question is maybe something I would ask a TAM. ------ As for the areas you don't know....you should know enough about how any technology works that you can reverse engineer the product and then customize it for the question.

Excuse my ignorance, what is FAANG? I’m seeing it mentioned more and more.

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Thanks!

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Would obtaining a few cloud certs at least look good? Picked up my AZ900 and may look into AWS. I’m not aiming for bizops more for bizdev.

Yup- good news is you can study for those intro exams in roughly two days. Probably enough knowledge for you to do a variety of roles, definitely bizops it will help to understand the business you are supporting.

Microsoft OP is providing very specific example of being techie enough the to make that $300K. Having lived my previous life in tech which was filled with MIT engineers who had a mid-life crisis of hitting a ceiling, I can say that OPs suggestion only r presents a small part of what is true. OP also believes that you create slides out of BS which is again false.

I have spent 5+ years in tech role and fully understand the tech mentality. Suggest you broaden your horizon

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How to make $300k+ at FAANG only using powerpoint???

YOE for 300k TC?

With hot technical skills- 5ish? With light technical affinity- 10ish

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