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Poll for the group - How common are PIPs at the various Big 4? Is it like the whole bottom 10% of everyone’s group or a once-in-a-while-this-person-is-dumb kind of thing? Have heard of quite a few within my group and wondering if it’s normal or something isn’t quite right.

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I had a start class of 10 and one person got PIP’d after three years as an associate but my goodness was she dumb as a rock. I don’t think they are that common at the more junior levels unless someone is really horrible after a few years or doesn’t put in effort.

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In my opinion PIPs happen to people who aren’t performing at the firms standards AND aren’t networking or is unliked in the group. The decision to PIP is made usually when the group thinks the person doesn’t have the ability to improve.

People who are unliked get less organic/honest feedback, development opportunities, mentor-ship and protection. I would probably say that being unliked is more determinative of PIP status than intelligence, work ethic and competence even (and perhaps especially) in the COVID-PIP era.

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At PwC, PIPs have never been as common as they are now. In my best friend’s audit group, this guy was NEVER around. Would disappear into thin air. Would tell Team 1 that he was busy with work from Team 2, then tell Team 2 he was busy with work from Team 1. He *still* wasn’t put on a PIP for over 2 years. The reason so many PIPs are suddenly popping up now (even for tier 3s) is because PwC is preparing for layoffs and wants to label them “performance related” layoffs instead of COVID-19 layoffs for PR. It’s very shady.

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PwC 10 I completely understand what you are going through! I got laid off from pwc last Tuesday and I got my first interview tomorrow with a F500 company! Stay positive and just start applying for roles just to be safe for when the pip comes to a end

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Sometimes you piss off the wrong person at the firm... next day you are gone

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Happened to a friend at EY. She was getting all 5s/gold standard then got PIPed by one vindictive higher up. It was insane.

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It’s pretty rare at Deloitte in my experience. Very much a rare for complete lost causes type of deal. Flip side is layoffs all at once very constant trimming of the fat. Just different methodologies.

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Well I guess it depends on the office. Sometimes yeah it's the survivors seeing what they want to see. But I know at least for my office, there were people who were let go that couldn't make the jump from staff 1 to staff 2 and remained a staff 1 last year, and they didn't really improve much from last year. I know three people who were unassigned for about 5 months last year. I'd say they were pretty underutilized and definitely not needed. Another guy was hard to work with, he had a bad attitude, would roll his eyes at people, be rude, etc. All of them were the very first ones I thought of when the firm announced layoffs, and sure enough they were let go, no surprise. But like I said, it depends on the office. Maybe your office didn't have any weak links, so they had to let some guys go randomly. Maybe the weakest of the strong. There was someone in a nearby office that was let go, from what I heard he was good so I think it was just the unlucky draw. Also I just want to point out that you never how poorly someone is actually doing. I wasn't doing too well the first half of my second year, and I heard some vague threats about not getting promoted. I pulled it together and wound up being fine. But for a second there it really seemed like I wouldn't. And I didn't tell anyone. People knew that I was struggling, but I never told anyone about my bad snapshots or my negative feedback. It was hard to talk about (and Idk how gossipy people are). Also, one of the people I mentioned above that was unassigned for over 5 months, that happened because she got kicked off her team and no one wanted to work with her. But when she asked for feedback before she got rolled off, she was just told she was doing fine and not to worry about being unassigned. And then her scatter plot tanked, and I heard of managers and such saying they didn't want to work with her. But as far as she heard, there was nothing wrong.

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Guarantee there have been more people on one than you realize. They won’t admit it because of the stigma. I had a coachee on one and they got promoted right after coming off of it. No one would suspect they were on a pip.

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This is true. We have several ppl on a PIP each year - but we don’t advertise it. It’s up to the individual to determine who they tell...

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It’s sad. Honesty would go a long way in times like these and they’re really hurting their reputation more than they’re saving it.

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S1 at KPMG. Have witnessed 2 PIPs across the last 3 years. I’d sample about 40-50 associates have come and gone (or gotten promoted), so it really is tough to get tagged for one Like you have to be borderline brain dead lol

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I hear about 2-3 each year in my group and assume there may be a couple more that I don’t know about.

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It used to be very uncommon. It took me and my team 18 months to put an employee on a PIP. She would disappear for days, ignore emails and phone calls, submit garbage. She was a slug. All said, it took nearly two years to lay her off.

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It’s not the case now, that’s for sure, unfortunately

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Depends on a lot of things. You’re not a good fit, you pissed off someone, you are not putting in effort, you are a lost cause, someone doesn’t like how you talk/smell, etc etc

In my experience, they used to be pretty uncommon. Once every couple years in a team of 50. Seems like last few years it's more like 1 or 2 a year. More people now that have terrible work ethics and do things like disappear for days.

Next you are gonna tell me to get off your lawn.

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