POV: you’re a manager at a big 4/mid-size firm - would you take a downgrade in title to a senior accountant role in industry if the pay was 25% higher? 🤔

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I almost did, but ended up getting a counter for a role in management and took that (better wlb and more fulfilling work too). Although I did wonder if lower role would really mean less responsibility, but figured odds were against it for that comp.

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No. Promotions and raises in industry are much slower. Taking a lower title could freeze your salary for multiple years if you are at / above salary range.

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Dude, give me my 25% and make me a staff.

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Titles vary from place to place. Don’t get hung up on words, as long as the actual job responsibilities, trajectory, and pay are what you are looking for.

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100% this. Titles are almost meaningless in industry because of variations from company to company. Responsibilities are way more important. I know people that are title "manager" at one company that have responsibility of people who are "VP" at another and people that are "director" that don't have anyone working under them that they manage while at another company a "senior analyst" leads a team. Focus on the role and responsibility, not title.

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Absolutely. More pay, less responsibility, and better hours. What's the downside??

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Yes. Then you still have runway for manager promo and another bump in a couple years.

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For me, definitely take it. I don’t care about title, what I care is money. I want to become an intern as long as they pay me enough lol

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Interns make more than me when you factor in OT pay and I’m entering my third busy season

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I’m a heartbeat. My hours are the same or more but it’s heavier admin. Less responsibility, more flexibility, with more money? Sign me up now.

One of my biggest pain points is staff and seniors sneering that I work less because it’s less visible. Managers complain less because they are starting to see the problem. I wake at 345 every day to get stuff done so I can get out early enough to see my kids. Valuable work happens at all levels, you just don’t always see it.

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No I want to be the boss 😤

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No... You are probably at the high end of the band for your title. Pays going to be bad in 3 years. The point of staying until manager in big four is to get hired at a higher level within the organization.

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I did it and definitely did not look back

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I would not. I got out of EY as manager 3. The consulting firm I went to want to do this and I fought it and got a way higher pay and a title above manager because I was up for promo at EY and if I stayed I would have been promoted. My story is probably uncommon, but to answer your question.. it depends on what your priorities are. If you don’t care about title, go for it. Keep in mind that if you don’t like this new company, people will ask why you took a downgrade.

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Okay guys but what if it was an accounting manager role at a little dinky nobody company versus a senior role at a F700 company? It’s not F500 but it’s almost there.. 😂

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Usually larger companies are more structured and have more titles. Smaller companies are flat. Id would ask for a title upgrade.

do you think you can do better? 25% is pretty good

i wouldn’t worry about title too much personally. but managing people is a good skill to scale your accounting income

is there a reason you only want 1 company? it’s probably not that different

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100% yes

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Depends what your goals and priorities are. I personally would not. Keep in mind that many (most?) states today aren’t allowed to ask what you were previously making in your old job. This means that your new pay if you ever leave the new place will be based more off of your old title and the pay band of the new position you’re going for. Also, many places unfortunately won’t consider you for higher level spots if you only have a senior title

But if you’re just looking to park for 25% more and aren’t interested in moving on again, then by all means take this

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