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Rant here: I have been reading some of the posts today and observe many grammar and spelling errors. I know there are times when I send a text or FB, I fail to double check spelling to make sure autocorrect doesn’t do something weird, but this is an educator site. Hopefully the errors are just ‘typos’ and not the lack of understanding of grammar and spelling. Pronouns seem to be one of the most misused parts of speech.

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Once when parent-teacher conferences were coming up, our principal sent an email to inform us that some bilingual people from the community had volunteered their services as Spanish interpreters for the evenings. But he sent the email from his phone, and autocorrect decided to help. The email happily informed us that there would be five Spanish “interrupters” for the evenings of parent-teacher conference. Several of us emailed back and asked how to go about becoming a professional interrupter. The main secretary emailed that she already was one. (We’ve been known to grumble about announcements interrupting class. Our secretary is a really good sport.) So bad grammar and autocorrect isn’t all bad. It definitely gave us something to hold over our principal for a while. 🙃

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“Please show some grace” and “it was autocorrect” and “it’s a small phone”. Nothing but excuses. Do you accept excuses like that from your students? It’s called editing. It’s the MOST IMPORTANT part of the writing process. Good communication requires it. Typos happen and everyone makes mistakes. Sometimes we miss our mistakes. It’s all okay, but we should always strive to do our best- especially if we’re going to ask the same of our students. I have a lot of friends that live in Europe. If I’m communicating with them via Facebook or something similar and I don’t use proper grammar, they can’t understand me. It’s super important.

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NJES3, Thank you! Couldn’t have said that better!!!!

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I post from my phone, between autocorrect and my bad eyes I have had many typos. I feel that, while this is an educator site, this is not academic. We have been tasked with showing our students grace. Why can’t we do it for each other?

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I guess it depends how you want to be perceived. I've told older students this, too: If you speak/write with poor grammar, others are going to judge you. Is that right? Probably not, but it's the way things are.

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Yes, but these are spelling errors- not grammatical errors. I agree with someone stating that their students will thank them when I go for an interview. That being said, I also understand that they are a product of their environment. Perhaps as students get older, and are taught correct usage, they can teach their parents some tips for correct grammar. That might be just wishful thinking, but wouldn’t it be great!?!

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I agree that in the classroom we should use proper grammar. I have written things in the board and noticed an error. I always offer extra credit to the student who can tell me what I did wrong. Then I fix my error. I see this as a teachable moment. Not only grammar, but admitting you made a mistake and correcting it. I also agree the education system is failing our students, but this is a different mentality. An English teacher I work with does not correct grammar because in the English department circles it has been taught that grammar is cultural and it is offensive to correct them. I, a social studies teacher, correct them and explain that when they begin interviewing they will thank me. I disagree we need to be so offended if people on this site don’t use proper grammar. I know I am not going to proof read everything. I work two jobs. This is my reprieve.

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I totally agree with this being a forum to share not judge for grammar.

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Come on...I didn't realize we were on here to grade one another and judge! We are here to support one another, lift up one another, and give ideas (and vent a little)! WE are ALL human...we ALL make mistakes (spelling/grammar/ punctuation/ etc...)!!! Let's not even go there with this subject...I believe this is very rude and petty!

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Wow I didn’t realize this site was so formal!

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Right! Are we writing a formal essay? Geez.

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While I do appreciate proper English…I certainly am not going to stress over it in a forum like this. I can’t tell you how many times autocorrect changes things. I think most of us are on our phones. Please try to show your colleagues some grace. We all had a stressful year. I just am grateful to hear from other educators in other parts of the country. It feels good to know I’m not alone I’m so many areas. I like to laugh and bounce ideas off of each other. Please let’s build each other up and not tear each other down. There is enough of that in this country that we deal with on a regular basis!

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I agree! My phone is not the best way to type correctly.

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I often get errors when typing on my phone and notice immediately after hitting send. I'm always so embarrassed by it. I do try to edit it when I can.

Let's eat grandma. Let's eat, Grandma. Punctuation makes a difference.

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Yes! Also, Oxford commas till the end!

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I do agree with you. I love this site and use it to gain some information, share ideas, and learn English. Some sentences that I read really confused me with those errors that you mentioned. By the way English is my second language.

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The bottom line is that our students will need to be able to write at least an email that is clear, well-organized, and correct no matter what career they choose. My husband is an HR director and regularly talks about managers who can’t successfully complete a simple employee evaluation that is understandable. He also talks about employees who are forbidden from sending an email outside the company without having someone edit it. Whether it is tested separately or not, grammar is an integral part of effective writing.

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Oh my gosh, yes!! I am offended by adult, native English speaker terrible grammar, spelling, and punctuation on a daily basis! And for the record, I'm just a music teacher who loves to read

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I am a high school math teacher with a masters degree. I will be honest I hate English, writing, and grammar. Sorry even though this is an educator site, we are not teaching students or writing a dissertation! Are we??? Shouldn't freedom of speech or freedom of ✍writing be the way you would like it to be especially on a social site. Just saying!🤷‍♀️

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Most people dislike writing. Have you ever stopped to think why that is? Maybe it’s because English is difficult and complicated, and it gets even worse when we are judged and criticized for mistakes. How many times did you get a paper back from a teacher that was so covered in red that you couldn’t see your own writing? I’m not saying that errors shouldn’t be addressed, but have some compassion.

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Eats, shoots, and leaves. Eats shoots and leaves. Different.

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HSMT1, I am gifting my grandson a t-shirt, for his birthday, with a picture of a t-Rex on the front. Caption: “Let’s eat, kids! Let’s eat kids!”

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This whole thread started with “rant.” Someone’s pet peeve. We waste time and energy when we let ourselves be irked by the errors that have been made without checking our assumptions behind them. I hope no one here was really offended and that was he newcomers who were just checking the app give it another chance. This isn’t really a thread that represents most of the conversations on Fishbowl.

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You might want to take down this very insensitive post.

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What's so insensitive about it? If people disagree--as many have said they do--they can go on not worrying about spelling and grammar. There's no reason this post should wound anyone to the core.

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I honestly don't understand why people are so up in arms about this particular post. One teacher in Kansas is annoyed by fellow educators' spelling and grammar errors. Some people agree that proper writing is important always, others feel we shouldn't have to worry about it in an informal place like this. No one is "tearing down" anyone. No one insulted anyone specifically. I have to admit, I personally am irritated by poorly constructed writing (unless the person is an ELL), but generally don't call it out. I do get a kick out of grammar and spelling errors that unintentionally change the meaning of the statement. Some recent ones I've seen: "The singing of the Magna Carta" (I'd love to hear that) "You depress my kath" (apparently the person was trying to say "You depress me, Katherine," but I immediately got a picture in my mind of someone trying to comfort their sad pet kath) "Dr. Martian Luther King" (I mean... knowing humans, there may well be racism on Mars someday, and we'll need this guy. Or J'onn J'onzz)

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I've found in my district a majority of teachers don't seem to have a strong grasp of many of the essential English grammar and syntax rules at the elementary level. As a district that's finally moving away from Whole Language, I'm hopeful the teachers will learn along with the kids, if curriculum is used with fidelity. But there seem to be a lot of teaching priorities that aren't aligned with content or English language. Just my experience going into my 5th year.

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Teachers can't pass it. So many of the teachers who graduated in my cohort with me were terrible spellers.

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