Remember having an argument with an intern about GPAs and success in career. I know the example below is just one that I am cherry picking but a great one nonetheless!
Also loved how he used “Curiosity” and “Perseverance” 😆

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My engineering study buddy who copied my homework and made C’s (I graduated with honors) is now an MBB Associate Partner while I’m a supply chain implementation grunt.
So proud of her. She’s got killer drive and EQ.
Good grades open more doors at the start of your career, and nothing more.

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Aren’t low GPAs normal for engineering majors?

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SA1, lol no, not at all "normal".
High grades are 100% harder to get than say business school.
But there are plenty of people with high GPA in STEM.
You have to take into account that the biggest nerds and workaholics in the world often go into STEM.
Several of my friends graduated with 4.0 or at least 3.85 from elite schools.
One thing that skews the stats are often the expulsion rules.
Like in my example, my school would permanently expel anyone that ever got two C grades, ever, in any science or math class. No opportunity for appeal or re-entry for life.

You had to then transfer to a different degree plan. Less than 20% of those who started as Freshmen graduated in that college. Those that were expelled typically took an easier degree plan in computer science or something.

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I've coached people out that had 3.8-4.0 GPAs while I had a 2.7 because I didn't want to do accounting. I've never been a fan of judging solely on GPAs when recruiting and always give more weight to student athletes or those that work through school.

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Try getting into grad school with that GPA. Straight into the shredder.

The world changed. It got a lot more cut throat.

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ACN1 - do you think a fresh PhD should be placed as a manager of … anything? Grad school does not prepare us for leadership at all.

Sure, grades don't matter one bit!
Like if a doctor tells you, "I almost flunked out of med school, but no worries - I'll rely on my curiosity and perseverance to figure out what's what when I cut you open" LOL

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And similar to other professions you learn the practice through residency and fellowship, and on the job experience. I actually wouldn’t care if I had a doctor who almost flunked out of medical school, would not matter to me one bit.

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GPA doesn’t mean everything, but the dud rate is certainly higher the lower it goes

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I think to a point, but I don’t believe the delta between a 3.8 and a 3.9, for example, is that meaningful

Remember folks a 2.4 in engineering can not and should not be compare to a 2.4 in liberal arts.
My firm has a 2.7 min for engineering degrees the others I think is 3.+ something. I know other big companies do as well.

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I had a 2.0 GPA in my first semester lmfao

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That post wins the all time greatest humble brag.

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What do you call a med school graduate with a 2.0 GPA?

- Doctor

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Ok but no one gets into med school with a 2.0 undergrad gpa

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Totally agree. Numbers are directional but don’t tell a full story. I struggled a ton in school with undiagnosed narcolepsy and ADHD. Failed every standardized test, especially the reading comprehension ones (couldn’t stay awake or focused enough to read the passages and answer questions). However, I was always taking the most advanced classes and pushing the boundaries on what my school mates and I could do. Crazy, now, bc I’ve been the highest ranked amongst my peers for over 8 years and driving a lot of impact. I thought I was an idiot because I couldn’t pass tests, when it turned out those tests were not made to make someone like me successful. Think that applies to a lot of people.

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Awesome! Keep going D3, happy to see people find their sweet spots!

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GPA only is a measure of how well you can learn in a classroom. Engineering is very hands on so if you learn better outside of the classroom, you’ll succeed

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I graduated from a tough biology program with a 3.0. We had a 65% dropout rate, so a 3.0 was a win, but the MBA programs I applied to grimaced at the number and didn’t seem to care about the context. So numbers do matter for most of us.

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Any lawyers want to weigh in on how much associate GPAs predict partnership, etc? I feel like what law school measured was how to figure out the unwritten rules. A professor would say they didn’t care about XYZ then all the model answers would all be XYZ. In law school there was no feedback but lots of adaptation. Which frankly can be like practice.

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GPA is mostly IQ. Making partner (or being promoted at all) is mostly EQ. I don’t think they’re very related.

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Liberal arts degree here. Working in tech. Cheers.

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I graduated with a 2.7 and I was honestly just lazy in school. I spent 1-2 hours tops per day on all my courses and just gamed/spent time with my gf afterwards. I would also only study for tests the day before them and usually get a B or A, but I often times forget to do homework or forget to submit it until it’s past due so that hurt my overall grades. So I learned the material and understand it, but my shitty organizational skills killed it for me

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