Sad to see we continue to fall for the herd mentality trap. Who could have imagined that blacks will bypass Booker, Kamala etc and go all out for Biden. Whatā€™s the logic behind the decision? Contā€™d

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I would have preferred Cory Booker, but given that someone has to still be in the race to win...

I think Biden is (SOMEHOW) the safest choice (of the viable folks left to vote for)

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Based on all polling of likely voters both Bernie and Biden would beat Trump. I think its a safe assumption that polling will change as we get closer to November, but the i think those changes are more likely to be worse for Bernie than for Biden

Bidenā€™s nomination is unlikely to impact the current numbers negativelyā†’ His base of supporter is unlikely to grow or shrink (he is a known commodity on the dem side so turnout will probably mirror expectations and isnā€™t objectionable enough on the Republican side to increase their turnout)

Sandersā€™ nomination impact is more uncertain and more likely to be negativeā†’ He is a known commodity among democrats so his support there will likely remain as expected...BUT among republicans he has much more adamant opposition and may drive increased turn out (more so as Trump deliberately paints him as a full on socialist and Bernie doesn't deny it)

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A Bernie election pretty much ensures weā€™ll lose many of the gains we had in the house and will 100% not take the senate. It will be impossible to run in a purple state while trying to support a ā€œsocialistā€ presidential candidate (they could choose to NOT support Bernie...but that has other impacts on Bernieā€™s chances and we may end up losing both the presidency and the houses). In house/senate races republicans will (a) paint all candidates as socialists who support Bernie or (b) Make the case that electing a republican will restrain Bernieā€™s worst impulses.

Biden on the other hand is a run of the mill democrat. Wonā€™t hurt or hinder state level races while leaving the avenue open for democrats to make the case that we at minimum need a Congress/Senate that will restrain the potential president Trumpā€™s second term.

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To me, this is an effort to minimize the likelihood of a Republican House + Senate + Presidentā€¦.and unfortunately (SOMEHOW)...Biden does that as the least threatening option for folks who view the national election as a referendum on Trump.

Would he be my first choice HELL NO...But the sad reality is that he is a better choice than the likely alternative.

Now Iā€™m just holding out hope for Stacey Abrams to get the VP slot that puts her on track to be the first black female president

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Even a full on deluge* wonā€™t have the equivalent impact on down ballot races of running on a ā€œsocialistā€ platform (even a democratic one)

*There is no proof to date that Joe Biden was involved in anything illegal or unethical related to Burisma (and Iā€™m sure republicans have been searching). The worst thing likely to come out is that his son is a idiot who tried to leverage his fathers name**...which Iā€™m pretty sure is what people assume happened already.

**Likeliest source being the Burisma hack by the Russians a few months ago

Iā€™m a Bernie supporter and I donā€™t have any illusions about how we fair among the masses, when placed up against a favored status quo Democrat. Itā€™s true people didnā€™t like Clinton, but thereā€™s plurality in those numbers. Time and again, Sanders was favored OVER Trump for the general election - for the very reasons that brought us Trump in the first place. People are tired of the same broken promises, seeing their interests over-writ by corporate donations and diminishing family wealth and well-being. Period.

That said, I knew most would fall in line once moderates wrapped their arms around Uncle Joe, even if reluctant - which why you didnā€™t see a strong showing for Biden until ten days ago. You also have coronavirus and so many people just wanting the emotional security of a familiar face and governing-style. Apocalypse isnā€™t the best climate for revolution. So here we are...most have fallen for it, because they canā€™t see beyond next week & here comes Uncle Joe promising that dad wonā€™t dare divorce mom. Lol Yeah, weā€™ll see.

In any case, I believe most people want the things Bernie talks about, but they canā€™t see it happening. They have trouble believing, unlike some of us, that they the could defeat the powers theyā€™re up against. Thereā€™s this sort of antique argument, like the one we saw during the Civil Rights era. You have a majority of people who want incrementalism and ā€˜not too much too soon.ā€™ But going with the flow doesnā€™t work always.

If Biden finds a meaningful and genuine way to acknowledge Sanders, Yang, Warren supportersā€™ concerns and ideas - perhaps he has a shot. But I donā€™t see him doing it, as he owes too many favors and now all the folks who endorsed him and all the corporate outfits that support them. So....status quo...and thatā€™s again, what Trump will highlight. Not to mention, the very sh*t that drove the impeachment...Hunter Biden. Joe isnā€™t Clinton, but they will attached that crooked association / message like a barnacle until folks are so disillusioned itā€™s unreal.

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Before is the key word. Iā€™m not acting like anything. He is a moderate and he will most certainly take the money from ā€˜friendsā€™ of his endorsing ā€˜friendsā€™. Anyways, have a nice weekend and donā€™t forget to wash your hands!

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I would have NEVER voted for Kamala

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Me too movement :)

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Biden, a 78 year old who cannot complete a thought, not to mention his role in the mass incarceration of young black boys, is now the person we are collectively carrying to the White House. I know youā€™ll quickly say he had Obamaā€™s back - yes, he did, but Obama already had the momentum and picked him mainly to appeal more to the moderates and folks in middle America. Bidenā€™s record has mostly been center right until around the time he was picked to run as VP. Itā€™s really sad to see how we continue to fall for the same mistakes - picking people we have been told to vote for vs someone who truly believes in us and represents our values. On the electability question, I really doubt he can beat Trump and so demoralized we turned our back on those who had a better fighting chance. Anyways, thought to share my 2 cents

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As for Joes role ion mass incarceration itā€™s a little unfair to blame him. Context is everything. As child growing up in the 80s, I can remember many black politicians, community leader calling for tougher drug laws and enforcement, things were real bad..

Thatā€™s the 40 and up crowd that voted for him. So be mad at your parents.

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Speak for yourself, my mama is Bernie supporter!

Yā€™all might as well get ready to Make America Great again, if it ainā€™t Bernie itā€™s nobody

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Disagree. Biden can win because he appeals to more moderates and independents vs Bernie. Also the more seasoned democrats consistently show up at polls and will do so in November. We can eventually get to a Bernie type candidate but letā€™s focus on priorities. Why lose an election with someone who wonā€™t appeal to centrists?

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Honestly, I didnā€™t connect well with Booker or Kamala. I havenā€™t quite connected well with any of the candidates to be fair. At this point I just want to have 45 out and whoever 46 will be, in.

Regardless of who enters the White House, unless we have reasonable allies in the House and Senate, I donā€™t think we will quite see any impact.

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The moment Biden entered the race it became less about who could hold down the debates or offered the best policy changes and went completely to who could beat Trump. Personally, Warren was my choice after O'Rourke dropped, but here we are šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™€ļø

The biggest thing that needs to be promoted now, though, is a non-vote = a Trump vote, because I feel like Bernie and Warren supporters are going to be the most disappointed and not want to show up

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Were we supposed to support them just because they were black? Kamala wasnā€™t for her own people when she was locking up black people for petty offenses and keeping innocent men in jail even after evidence proved they were innocent. Then she just looked pathetic when she lied about smoking week at Howard but dodged questions about locking black people up for weed. I like Booker, but I think heā€™ll actually get more done in the position heā€™s in now. Biden is a nice guy but heā€™s a hard pass for me....although Iā€™m sure heā€™ll end up being the democratic nominee. At this point, Iā€™m with Bernie since heā€™s speaking about issues that actually affect me. I havenā€™t really heard Biden talk about anything that will help me or give realistic solutions to our countryā€™s issues at the moment.

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OP did you say ā€œthe blacksā€? Youā€™re obviously not black. Not an issue, just an observation.

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This part.

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Iā€™m also disappointed in our people right now. šŸ˜”

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They were out of the race before the first primary. When would we have had a chance to show support? I gave money to Deval Patrick, but he didnā€™t make it past NH.
Are you saying write them in or not vote? They werenā€™t on the ballots.
Donā€™t understand the comment. Itā€™s not like we chose Biden over Kamala. We chose Biden over Elizabeth.
And we didnā€™t fall for the herd mentality. The herd followed us!

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I posted it because I think some of that same mentality is at play here...obviously not the part about race, but about electability. Do older Black voters think this country would elect another Black President so soon after the first one...especially a Black woman? Doubtful. They donā€™t trust that white people would do anything but what they did in 2016 and I canā€™t really blame them. Biden is viewed as the safe vote for a lot of our elders - full stop.

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Your premise infantilizes (and insults) those voters, though. Youā€™re saying that they wouldnā€™t have voted the way they did without Clyburn (or somebody) telling them to. Whatā€™s your basis for making that statement? I honestly think they made what they thought was the pragmatic choice.

Iā€™m not saying that the country isnā€™t ready for another Black (or non-traditional) President. I believed that prior to Obamaā€™s election and I was wrong. But Iā€™m considering that that particular block of voters doesnā€™t believe that to be true and made their choices accordingly. šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™€ļø

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All three u named are/were pandering and untrustworthy imo.. i dont vote based off race

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Especially Kamala šŸ™„

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I donā€™t put much faith in polls. Those same polls showed Hillary as beating trump and you see what happened. My first choice was Warren but as sheā€™s no longer in the race I will look at what the nominee says and does once they secure the ticket. Too many people on the Bernie side are pulling the same thing they pulled the last time he ran and that if he didnā€™t get the nomination they wouldnā€™t vote or vote for Trump and you see how that turned out. I was a Bernie supporter last time but still voted for Clinton as I thought she would be a better choice than the alternative of a Trump leadership.
The Bernie or bust mentality that his supporters are showing is a spiteful and dangerous way of thinking not to mention full of privilege. If he loses the nomination this year he needs to sit it out the next time if heā€™s still alive as his base is proving to be divisive and petty. I think he also needs to focus on bringing change in his current position.

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I just donā€™t get why itā€™s hard for many to understand that not voting because your preferred choice is not nominated makes any sense? Itā€™s unfortunate that only few candidates can be seriously considered In the first place so itā€™s ALWAYS going to favor one or the other.

Debating who is better at this point is useless if the losing side wonā€™t rally around the eventual democratic winner.

Personally, I like Both but can also see how Bernie May be seen as too far left. Whatever is the case, trump is an absolute disaster for this country and if care is not taken, he will destroy it if allowed to run further.

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Four. More. Years.

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Except He doesnā€™t have the best chance of beating Trump. Biden is plain Jain, status quo hanging onto to his Obama association...Democrats still trying to fight yesteryears wars...Trump was elected because folks were tired of the status quo politician, so what do Dems do ..they go find the embodiment of status quo politician to fight him...not intelligent

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As opposed to...who? And how are you qualifying that who as having a better chance?

Not to say Biden wonā€™t lose, but itā€™s hard to argue his chances are worse than any of the other candidates based on all the data we have right now.

I was ready for kamala. She dropped out. I have ZERO appetite for booker. Iā€™m from NJ. I know him. Not interested šŸ¤·šŸ½ā€ā™€ļø you canā€™t just be ā€œblackā€ to get my vote.

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On that we definitely agree. I just have personal experiences with Corey. Nice dude but not ready for the presidency or vice presidency. I felt like kamala was ready for both positions (hopefully she will get a nod)

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